To be disappointed that people who should know better are minimising grooming?

[GunpowderGelatine]

After watching the Leaving Neverland documentary, in which I 100% believe the victims (I mean come on MJ was the most obvious pedophile ever!) I posted a link to a Guardian article that stated that if MJ was alive they'd be sure a jury these days would find him guilty. I accompanied with "I believe the victims". I don't usually post these kinds of things on social media but I'm disappointed that so many people on my friends list have bleated on about his innocence whilst admitting they haven't watched the documentary.

A friend commented to say that both the boys in the documentary previously stated they'd never been touched by MJ and are therefore liars. When I replied to essentially say that the power of grooming, they were coerced into lying for the man who abused them but who they also love, she replied saying it's BS, they're after money. This friend is a "superfan". She's also a year 2 teacher. She teaches children the same age as Jackson's victims, and I'm shocked that she's denying the effects of grooming. I'm extremely tempted to ask her if one of her pupils said they were sleeping in the same bed as a perfect stranger, a single man who is successful and buys them presents and gives them envelopes of cash, would she make a safeguarding referral?

I guess I'm so disappointed that people are still deluded and dazzled because he was a legendary musician - as if being good at your job and being an abuser are mutually exclusive. But I certainly expected better from an infant teacher

To the poster who said she didn't believe as it took the victims 30 years to admit it, it also took me 30 years and I had previously lied too about it happening
I couldn't acknowledge it until the person had died, I remember my mum asking me when she was dying if he'd abused me and I denied it, I can't really tell you why. I was ashamed may be, couldn't face him, having to acknowledge it while he was living was just too much for me

I am convinced that if it wasn't MJ being accused, but a school caretaker, for example, who'd had boys in his bed for years, no-one would have Any doubt.

MJ groomed the children, their families and to some degree the world.

Cookmysock I can totally understand why it took you so long to be reconciled to previous abuse, it makes perfect sense

Thank you Colourpencils x

I'm just watching the Martin Bashir documentary, I did watch it at the time but now watching through the eyes of a parent and a non-fan. It's terrifying how little self awareness he had and how irresponsible he was with his children. Anyone else would have their kids taken off them after that! He's also a consistent liar and downplayed bad things that happened (like the infamous balcony dangle) and really pushed the "I'm an innocent soul" line. How anyone CAN'T see through him is beyond me

What was he doing with his children, GunpowderGelatine(besides dangling his son from a balcony?) I haven't seen the Bashir documentary.

@SpogTheDog he was feeding baby blanket whilst shaking him and covering his head in a scarf, child clearly distressed. He also took his kids to the zoo and the press and fans were getting in so close the children were getting hurt, he was completely oblivious and too busy encouraging his fans to shout "fuck the press". He also explained how he ran out the hospital all the way home with his daughter when she was born, still covered in blood and gunk. When Bashir asked if his wife at the time and staff were ok and he said "yes they told me to" I notice he also stated that Tatum O'Neal (herself a troubled child stat) was his first girlfriend and first love and she tried to seduce him but he was scared. I looked this up - Tatum has always denied this happened, she went on one day with him.

And when asked about the zoo trip MJ said "I love the zoo, I'm happy as long as I get to see the monkeys". Never mind about your kids getting trampled then I remember watching this when it came out and thinking "yes he's weird but he's a genius and childlike/misunderstood" etc. I can see exactly how someone like this grooms people

Thank you, GunpowderGelatine. That's disgusting. Those poor kids. The arrogance of the man was breathtaking even considering his status. Heaven forbid that he consider the Mother who had just given birth to her child or the baby herself who deserved better.

I've always wondered what's going on with his wife who is the mother of his eldest two children. He alleges she "gave" him the children as a gift and that's why she never saw them. There's more to it than that!

He also states that he was in a relationship with Blankey's mother then later on days she was a surrogate who he never met. How can anyone take this guy seriously?

The mother of his first two kids was never really his wife, his Mum demanded she marry her to be a proper family but Debbie Roe (I think that's her name) was basically his Nurse who offered him kids, I bet they had some sort of financial arrangement. After his death she did try get contact but I'm not sure if maintained. I do agree the whole situation with his children is weird. He has a son aswell that was hidden away at Neverland as he had him when younger, it was never official at the time.

Where are the children now? Can't believe he called one of them Blanket, I mean WTF?? It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic 😪

Hi daughter Paris is reported to be in hospital after trying to commit suicide.

Oh no

Blanket is a nickname for heaven's sake.

It may be a nickname but his real name isn't much better - Prince Michael II.

I do actually think Blanket is MJ's biological child unlike the other two who clearly aren't

Hope it's not true about Paris. She's attempted suicide before hasn't she

Paris tweeted at TMZ who reported on her 'suicide'

Fuck you, you fucking liars

twitter.com/ParisJackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Media have been trying to get a rise out of her all week and she wasn't having any of it.

Hope they're strong children.

Doesn't that show how bonkers MJ was that I totally bought in that he'd named his poor child Blanket..apologies

Weird that MJ's biggest defender in this thread seems to simultaneously believe that he was and wasn't a peado (ie. per the top post on page 10) depending on which is the better angle to attack Wade at any given time.

I've been doing more reading. Yes Debbie Rowe was a dermatology nurse and agreed to have "Michael's" babies. She also received $1.5million a month from him and he bought her a $1.3million house in Beverley Hills, but she did it as a gift not for the money, no sir-ee. With this gift came the proviso that she butted out as soon as she gave birth. She did this twice. The only reason they married was because Jackson's mother insisted on it because as Jehovah's Witnesses she didn't want a "bastard" child in the family. After Debbie stopped being a walking talking uterus for Jackson they divorced.

Soooo, that's not immoral or fucked up at all. Jackson and Rowe ought to be ashamed - selfish bastards, did they once think how this bizarre arrangement would effect two children?!

So, why are Michael Jackson's children white?
Nothing ever seems to be made of this?

Soooo, that's not immoral or fucked up at all. Jackson and Rowe ought to be ashamed - selfish bastards, did they once think how this bizarre arrangement would effect two children?!

Totally agree with this!

It’s shocking how people can still think he was innocent seriously messed up