Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

"Complicity in genocide should not treated as some gap year option for British teenagers"

Yazidi Women Want Them Brought To Justice

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/nishitajha/isis-yazidi-shamima-begum-hoda-muthana?

Far from being innocent bystanders, women who joined ISIS participated in the torture and humiliation of Yazidi women.

Those 3 dead babies deserve our sympathy.

The woman whose ruthlessness caused their deaths, who knowingly travelled to join an organisation that commits crimes against humanity, mass murder, slavery, rape ...
She deserves no sympathy, just a trial

Same as the men who return

Nobody should be anything other than sad for a loss of an innocent baby. As a mother, it’s upsetting to hear about another mother losing a child. It doesn’t mean I condone her behaviour, quite the opposite.

"Better of two evils" that a baby has died? For fucks sake.

But if their was a baby then it wouldn't have had a good life, maybe the better of two evils

For actual fucksake. That’s an appalling thing to say.

Britain can choose to pardon her if she later blows up a few dozen kids at a music concert in the UK

• but has no right to pardon its citizens for crimes against humanity committed in other countries

I'm genuinely baffled - Why do people find it so far fetched in the first place that she would have had a baby?

She is a fertile 19 year old. Who had a husband next to her 9+ months ago. I really don't see what's so hard to believe.

I suppose if nothing else positive comes from this, it's a pretty sorry example for any girl who might be tempted to do the same. Run away to shag a handsome jihadi fighter, lose three babies before you're 20 and end up stuck in a refugee camp in the middle of a desert while your husband's in Kurdish prison.

The way of entry back into the uk Midwifey. She probably has had a couple of babies. Just not sure this little one was one of them.

She left home to join Isis? How did 3 babies meet their death, that's the issue.

I don't think those that leave to support such a killing machine should be allowed to bring their new knowledge back to the UK, lots of women's babies die, its tragic,but why 3 of hers?? What's going on?

I did read first page, just not all the others. Sorry, just felt I had to say something FWIW.

lots of women's babies die, its tragic,but why 3 of hers?? What's going on?

She’s in a country with terrible health care. It’s not unusual at all.

Very convenient.
If it is true that the baby existed then it’s sad as he was innocent
No sympathy with the mother though. Lost two other children and still didn’t regret going to Syria

How did 3 babies meet their death, that's the issue

It's not unusual at all. In fact, it isn't terribly unusual to have two stillbirths back to back here in the UK, so her being in a country with such poor healthcare doesn't surprise me much.

I don't know/haven't read what age she claims the other two children were when she lost them. But if they were newborn, it isn't unusual a all. Especially given her current environment.

So very sad to hear this.

Yeah, some of you really know bugger all. You don't have to sympathise with SB, and I'm not sure I'm willing to accept her as non-culpable, to have some idea about mortality rates in refugee camps. Or basic biology. I mean, she's a lone woman, no husband or family, foreign. The least protected in one of the most dangerous countries on earth. How do you think female headed households typically fare in war zones?

Subject to my cynicism about whether she had a baby in the first place, if it’s indeed true that she did and he’s died it’s very sad and on a personal level I feel very sorry for her. It’s a tragedy for any baby to die and a tragedy for their parents.

I’m not sure why people are saying Sajid Javid has blood on his hands, even if her citizenship hadn’t been revoked they weren’t going to facilitate bringing her back to the U.K. Sadly this happening I think makes her more of a risk to come back and not less, as she may well blame the British state for the death of her baby, and be resistant to deradicalisation.

Has there ever been proof she was actually pregnant or the baby existed/was hers?

She was given the chance for her 'son' to return home to the UK without her. To live a better life and be treated as an innocent.

She refused.

I find it hard to believe that any caring parent would keep their tiny baby with them in that situation if they had a better chance at life offered to them.

She does not get my sympathy. IF the child existed, then he does.

This post appears to be addressed to me. I do not understand it,.

You have ramped up the faux innocence i see...

We can break it down as we both haven't name changed in years.

You and I have had discussions where Prevent was an apparent racist initiative when it was first introduced (and before you start its for you to provide the links to dispute this), so what more could the police, security forces have done initially without targeting said community, and don't try an apply 20/20 vision in this?

We were also in the threads about one of her companions who fled to syria with her, were you was painting any opposition under the faux innocent "you must be racist" until it came out her farther was on certain rallies.

I'm just calling out your faux innocence with trying to say everyone else is racist without actually saying it, it's the game you like to play.

Instead of calling other people out and trying to hone on individuals maybe offer constructive critism that you can offer. As for the covington kids, I didn't see you or any others come out and say they where obviously groomed...

This is so tragic. Especially as this baby could well have been saved if Britain hadn’t washed its hands of him and his mother for the sake of political posturing. It makes me feel sick.

I don't think there's any doubt there was a baby - interviewers met her with the baby. It is incredibly sad.

I am.not.convinced of political posturing more a threat to the UK.

What you do, seize the baby? Arrest the woman? Take her and her baby into custody based on suspicions.

She could have sent her baby to safely....

I’m not sure why people are saying Sajid Javid has blood on his hands

Ignore them, its people waiting for social media to form an opinion and political point score.

This is what politics has become, all of those blaming Javid will have an unironic link to skwarbox, canary buzzfeed, Guradian comment is free article if you could see there personal profile.

There is one side who are trying to use this as political scoring point after championing "we must follow international law" when she first came into public view.

I can well believe she has had three pregnancies and lost three infants. We are shielded from the issues of infant and maternal mortality in this country and it is easy to take for granted simple medicines, access to safe formula if needed, vaccinations etc. It is a horrific situation for infants like hers but also every other infant that dies in those camps.

I am really torn about this case. She chose to do something quite extreme at 15 and continues to be radicalised and a potential threat. However, I don’t know if we know enough about the circumstances which prompted her to leave but I don’t know at what age you’d have to accept she was fully aware of what she was doing and should take responsibility. Also, I don’t think the comparisons with teenagers that have been groomed for sex are true parallels. A better scenario might be a 15 year old involved in gangs and knife crime. Would you acquit a 17 year old for stabbing someone because they had been groomed earlier in life or would you expect them to face justice for what they had done?

While I would not want to see any military personnel or officials put at risk to ‘rescue’ her, as I understood it, if she got to an embassy she’d have had a good chance of returning (before some of the politics decisions about citizenship). The bit I don’t understand is why the journalists they have interviewed her didn’t help get her out of Syria? Presumably they’d have had transport etc to leave the country and seem to be saying she should be allowed home. If they are so bothered, why leave her in the camp?

A baby. It was assumed to be hers.