Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

Quite Monestasi the regime she was supporting, and still is, beggars belief that anyone can support it. I have zero sympathy for her.

I don't believe she has had one baby let alone 3. It's sad that a baby has died, however she wouldn't be caring about any of the babies and children ISIS would still be killing, or who have killed, so I can't muster up any sympathy for her.

“Why are some people so certain she wasn’t groomed/brainwashed

From someone who initially swallowed up the Guradian headlines that Prevent was a racist legislation, stop trying the faux innocence and framing of arguments, you know what you are trying to say.

I didn't see you pop up about grooming etc etc with the covington maga hat kids, and it wasn't just because it happend in America.

Shamima Begum has never given birth imo.

If isis weren't on the brink of collapse she'd still he in the thick on things carrying out her house wife duties....... Of preparing children to be raped by men, murdering, torturing and just looking at beheaded heads as if they are rubbish in the bin.
She made the choice to go. I feel sorry for the child and sorry that 3 children have died. I can't have sympathy for her though when I thi k of all the good people in the world who have lost children and who are desperately wanting children.

I can't be pleased a baby died. And a mother hsbung

So I guess now she will fade away from the headlines.

It’s sad but so are the deaths of all the children killed by ISIS.

It doesn’t change the mother one bit.

Faux naïveté is utterly pointless and transparent

It is, look at all those people who are anti british for not supporting the EDL, or anti Irish for not supporting the IRA, etc etc ..

Those poor children didn’t have any control over their parents and have ultimately died because of the poor decisions of their parents. I can have sympathy with her in so much as losing one child must be horrific, let alone three but it just wouldn’t have happened if they (the parents) had chosen a different path in life.

It's ridiculous that people are saying there was no pregnancy and baby.
The bbc corespondent would have seen it.
The refugee camp have confirmed it.
The hospital confirmed the baby was brought in and then died.
But let's trust a conspiracy theory.

It's ridiculous that people say she wasn't groomed. That means children of that age aren't groomed by paedophiles. That children aren't groomed to join gangs. That children aren't groomed to take drugs. If your brain can be manipulated to think one thing is on to happen it can be manipulated to think any topic is right.

The problem is that it's not in our comprehension and understanding as it's so far from our experiences.

*a young mother having lost three babies- that's a sad image, too.

But I still don't buy that she was pregnant. And I find it very hard to find much sympathy for HER; she's in a situation of her own making, unlike the thousands of people displaced, abused and enslaved by the regime she supports.

(sorry, wretched phone too clever by half).

Is ok to happen

I have no idea what lead Shamima to seek out extremist sites and set off to join ISIS. I don’t think we have any information regarding her home life or what might have brought her to the point of getting that flight out the country. She was 15. My DD at 15 was immature, often irrational and rebellious. She also has ADD and that lead her to make very impulsive and dangerous choices. Do we know what Shamima might have been dealing with before she went? What did the online content sell her? A dream, some drama, feeling part of something, a way to escape whatever her home life involved ? No one knows.

What responsibility do her parents take here? I can’t feel anger or hatred and if she has lost all her children my heart breaks for her. I hate what ISIS stands for. I hate any extremism but I can’t hate this young woman.

If a child has genuinely died then I am saddened as I would be for any little one that has died no matter what that baby's circumstances are.

However I am utterly unconvinced that the baby if it actually existed even belonged to this woman or that any of her other children even existed. She is not a British citizen. She has been justly stripped of this by our government. She is a terrorist for whom I have no pity. She actively sought out radicalization. She was not groomed. She is not a victim here. She was remorseless about the countless deaths that ISIS have caused and the people they have murdered so now I feel nothing for her but contempt.

Anyone who bleats to me about racism or anti Islamic sentiment can fuck off. I would have the same reaction if anyone no matter what their ethnicity / religious affiliation did the same wicked things this woman has done. She made her bed and she can bloody well lie in it. We owe her nothing and if she dies out there she will be entirely unmourned.

“Why are some people so certain she wasn’t groomed/brainwashed

From someone who initially swallowed up the Guradian headlines that Prevent was a racist legislation, stop trying the faux innocence and framing of arguments, you know what you are trying to say.

I didn't see you pop up about grooming etc etc with the covington maga hat kids, and it wasn't just because it happend in America”

This post appears to be addressed to me. I do not understand it,.

Why are you so sure she wasn't groomed? So what about the 15 year olds who were raped in Yorkshire, having entered into "relationships" with their (Asian) predators? Were they "up for it" too? Or was that the (Asian) mens fault? Because I kind of think that at 15 you are pretty vulnerable.

Agree with pp that dogs are much nicer than people

Out of respect for this dead baby, perhaps people could consider stopping saying he didn’t exist. It’s a monstrous thing to say - and you’re doing it to make your position easier to justify.

FFS people.

Yanbu to feel sad about a baby's death in what was probably unimaginable conditions. It is easy for us to forget the pain and suffering that innocents go through. 😢

This is desperately sad.

It's very sad if a child is dead. However the only people to blame in this are Shamima and her husband.

THIS^^

Why aren’t the Red Cross, Save the Children, Oxfam or Medcins san Frontiers working at this refugee camp. Surely three babies don’t need to die needlessly in this day and age. I don’t however have any sympathy for her as she seems remarkably well fed and healthy considering her ordeal and recent pregnancy and birth.

So do you reckon she hasn't had sex with her husband, that she's got fertility issues or that she was using reliable contraception thefairycaravan? Honestly, it's one thing to think she was lying about this particular instance, but for a proponent of an ideology where women are expected to breed and not really allowed to refuse sex from their husbands, you think it didn't happen once in four years?

"Why aren’t the Red Cross, Save the Children, Oxfam or Medcins san Frontiers working at this refugee camp"

I think some are there.

But the reason is that Syria is too fucking dangerous.