Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

Where are people getting that she could've sent the baby to safety? And how?

I find it hard to believe that any caring parent would keep their tiny baby with them in that situation if they had a better chance at life offered to them.

Yes, a woman not wanting to be separated from her newborn baby, outrageous .

Can someone explain how her baby could have been ‘sent to safety’? Would Britain have sent a chaperone over to Syria to collect him? Are there special people placed in the camp for the purpose of transpoting newborns out to safe countries? I’m genuinely interested in what the option would have been?

@Tinyteatime It makes you sick? What about the Manchester bombing that she tried to justify. It made me sick worrying about which of my friends were at the concert with their kids. Give your head a wobble.

I'm pretty sure there was footage of her breastfeeding under her clothes. Maybe I'm misremembering. In any case this speculation that she didn't have a baby is facile. It has been confirmed numerous times.

She was offered a refuge for her baby in Britain - she refused unless she was also allowed to enter the country

Yes there was footage of this.

I don't blame anyone here. This is what happens when MPs fall over themselves trying to ride a wave of power and popularity. It was Sajid Javids responsibility to do the prudent and lawful thing and make decision accordance to his own policy document. It was not up to the people or the press to decide. The man gets paid to think about these things.

Several people on some of the threads a few weeks ago said 'Given the mortality rate in the camps, what happens if her baby dies?' and were more or less shouted down. It wasn't her baby then either

Ironically she has probably served to recruit more people to Isis now being out the country than if she had been brought back.

All part of the media circus created around this woman

I think it’s terribly sad. I have sympathy for her, she was groomed and radicalised and needs to be de-radicalised. Call me naive but her attitude and comments are completely expected given her previous and current situation and the trauma she has encountered. Some of the comments here, and online generally make me feel depressed at the human race and the lack of empathy or understanding.

If I remember correctly the two children she lost previously were 8 months old and nearly 2 when they died, from malnutrition. I cannot imagine the pain of losing three children.

The government has this babies blood on it's hands.

Every arm chair warrior screaming 'burn the witch' has blood on their hands.

It's truly pathetic, watching them scrabbling for scraps that will absolve their conscience. 'There never was a baby!' 'Other babies die!' 'Bet she killed it!'

THIS baby, could've been saved. THIS baby died to appease bigots.

I'm utterly disgusted by it all.

So many people on here being made sick tonight and branding other people racists and anti-Islam for simply saying they aren’t sure there was a baby.
People looking to be outraged imo

This is very sad. She was 15 when she left the UK. 15 year olds sometimes do crazy stuff and are not in my opinion fully resposible for their actions. She has ended up in this awful situation through a bad decision she took when she was still a child.

I agree with all you say user.

Nobody suggested that there was no baby until it died. It's their conscience bothering them.

Agreed squeezy.

And so the headlines and focus are now back on this awful woman. What should be uppermost in peoples’ minds are the thousands of innocents victims of ISIS- victims who Begum by her own admission has zero sympathy for.

The Government hasn’t got blood on its hands in this case. SB is the mother and her decisions in life have led to the deaths of her three children. Tragic and dreadfully sad but no one’s fault except for SB and her husband.

What do we have to offer her and her baby in bringing her back. Can she be given protection and neutralised as a risk?

There is so little support & help given to women; this should never have to happen again. I mean, the fact that she's had three babies by the age of 19!!! If that's her choice, that's one thing, but what life options did she really have?

It's an insight for the likes of us in the UK into the realities of life for such women and girls.

Exactly what @Bearberry posted at 22.09

And shame on anyone who thinks otherwise.

@userxx. My own cousin was about a mile from the Manchester bomb. Of course I have sympathy for the victims and their families. It’s posisble to have sympathy for more than one person at once you know. She and her baby should have been brought back to Britain, baby to safety with medical care, her to face our justice system possibly or be rehabilitated. We broke international law by stripping her of citizenship and now an innocent baby is dead.

So the baby deserved to die because of his mother's views? @acciocat

If she hadn't made herself known and been stripped of her citizenship, I don't see how it would change the outcome for the baby.
He was sick and he died, because , I presume , of conditions in the camp, not because of a piece of paperwork.

But people saying that she has suffered a devastating loss, do we know that she is devastated?

The reality is that these people have no value for life, not even their own. They are prepared to strap explosives to themselves and to die in the name of their cause. That baby would have been brought up to do the same, his death was assured, and all in the name of the cause. How much grief do these parents genuinely feel? She may not be grief-stricken at all if she in fact did have a baby, because she knew that his dying was all part of the plan.

We cannot attribute western feelings and thoughts to this in the same way.

Any sympathy for a child who dies in such circumstances is reserved for the child IMO.

Anyone who continues to have children in order to bring them up to sacrifice themselves in the name of the cause does not deserve sympathy if that child’s end comes about in a manner which they didn’t account for.

Good grief squeezysparklyballs
Nobody is yelling “burn the witch” literally nobody.
Most people have expressed sympathy that a baby has died. The hysterics, name calling and literal making up false things is just weird and doesn’t help anyone or educate anyone.

People are allowed to be saddened by the death of an innocent tiny baby, just like they can also be sad and upset by the murders of innocents due to terrorism.

We cannot attribute western feelings and thoughts to this in the same way.

What the fuck did I just read? Western feelings???!!!

Have a look on a few social media sites. It certainly is burn the witch.

Today 22:14 squeezysparklyballs

So the baby deserved to die because of his mother's views? @acciocat

What a fucking ignorant thing to say. Of course the baby didn’t deserve to die. He’s another victim. Alongside the thousands of other babies, children, women and men who have died horrible deaths thanks to ISIS