Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

[UnexpectedButExpected]

AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

Us feeling sorry for her not changes nothing, the only way she could get back here is if we sent soldiers in to bring her out. Forget the rights & wrongs of the citizenship would any of us be happy for a member of our family to risk their lives rescuing someone that supports a terrorist organisation that hates us?

I have fought tooth and nail for Muslims in my community to be granted permission to build a mosque they are finding themselves- must as I dislike all organized religions personally

That’s all a bit “I can’t be racist I have black friends”

HighlightsandHeels

Nowhere on that list of quotes has anyone said they are happy a child is dead.

You quoted me saying Shamima and her husband are to blame. How are they not? Both their decisions have lead to this, no one else's.

I never said people should be heartbroken. I'm not heartbroken. I think it's horrible that some people are pleased the baby died.

Also - it's a war zone. Records are non existant. Evidence will be lost. Witnesses will be lost. How is she supposed to prove previous pregnancies and births

Birdsgottafly her mother didn’t die, that’s a different girl with a similar name.

im not convinced either especially not three times

of the inte4rview of her when she finds out the uk has rejected her application to come back she doesnt even look that bothered-the baby although moving cant be seen properly

@JacquesHammer

Can you explain how please?
You do understand that ISIS killed more Muslims than anyone else, don’t you?

Nowhere on that list of quotes has anyone said they are happy a child is dead.

That’s because it was deleted.

I'm afraid I don't believe she had a third baby either. And she wasn't groomed, she was radicalised - very successfully. I do, however, feel very sorry for all the children caught up in this dreadful situation and who had the misfortune to be born to terrorists.

She was offered a refuge for her baby in Britain - she refused unless she was also allowed to enter the country

Is this a fact?

HighlightsandHeels

I’m even more convinced you’re either drinking or a bit deranged with that list? Not anywhere does anyone say they are happy her baby died? What’s wrong with you? There’s absolutely no need to dramatize and essentially make things up.

When she was being interviewed after giving birth, the BBC journo said that the baby was under her clothes. I looked at her voluminous garments and wondered how the baby could breathe inside all that,coming to the conclusion that it couldn't. The journo didn't seem to question it at all.

There are lots of unanswered questions in this whole sorry saga.

"There’s no evidence to say she was groomed"

Yes there is. Read about the Police's handling of the whole situation, it's quite shocking.

Look up Aqsa Mahmood. Read about how around 500 Girls and Women were targeted and went over.

"and has still shown no remorse."

Sjr won't, until she is deradicalised. She has suffered so much trauma, she won't be able to process it all. She can only say so much, whilst she is still there.

Can you explain how please?

How what? How your anecdote regarding a Mosque doesn’t mean you don’t display anti-Islam sentiment.

You do understand that ISIS killed more Muslims than anyone else, don’t you?

Yes. And that’s irrelevant. The anti-Islam sentiment is the number of people who are apparently able to state as fact she wasn’t groomed and radicalised.

Me? I don’t know. I’m not able to state whether she was as fact and I won’t make assumptions either way. What I do know is that she’s a young woman who lost (more than one) baby, and yes I can still feel sympathy for her.

BirdsGottaFly

Her Mother was ill, she was passed around in the Family. Her Mother died, she was sent to live with an Uncle, who sent her to a school that had extremist views, as did he. He made her pray for hours. But he couldn't be over ruled. At the same time she was targeted by two Women (they were arrested), who were recruiting for Isis.

Wrong Shamima. There were two with the same name.

Desperately sad for the tiny innocent baby.

I do not think he had a chance with a mother like that.

Where are we getting this information about the UK offering to take the baby? And how would that work when the UK doesn't actually have any representation in Syria at the moment?

Cannot imagine how she feels. It’s almost 12 years since I lost my DS aged 6 days. That pain never leaves you.
Underneath it all she is the same as all of us, human.

I'm not sure stripping her of her citizenship was the right thing, even though the fact she still doesn't really renounce what IS stood for or condemn their barbaric and inhuman treatment of so many people does make her a difficult person to feel any real sympathy for (in the wider sense). I just think we've pushed our problem onto another country, however much I would prefer people who hold her beliefs did not set foot in this country.

Agree ^

Manipulating the law because of public pressure is totally wrong.

I don't want her here. I don't want any of the 440 men who have apparently returned, either - but it's slippery slope. If the law is inadequate - reform it to deal with these situations.

I struggle to understand the concern for this one woman, and her supposed offspring.

If the bleeding hearts knew about what actually happened to mothers and their children in Syria, I suspect they would not be bleating on about this individual.

She was groomed. Radicalisation of a vulnerable 14yr old is grooming. Once she left the country, she had no way out. From the age of 15 she was married. There's no reason not to believe she had three pregnancies, and no reason to be surprised they died.

Apparently 12,000 mostly pregnant women and their children have arrived in the already full camp in the last two days.

The anti-Islam sentiment is the number of people who are apparently able to state as fact she wasn’t groomed and radicalized

Oh ok you’re just making up your own meaning for things.
Anti-Islam does not equal saying you don’t believe someone was groomed. For goodness sake!

If you’re stating that SB was not groomed and then radicalised then you know absolutely nothing about how terrorist organisations work.

I guess it’s more convenient for those of you who don’t understand to claim there is no baby, there were no babies ever united to make your vilification of her easier to justify.

She was utterly let down by her parents and by agencies tasked with safeguarding children in the UK. The UK govt then washed their hands of responsibility. It’s an absolutely tragic situation.

I'm not happy anyone's baby died, that would be sick and horrible. However, I am kind of amazed that people are so sad about this one baby, when there are so many hundreds of thousand others whose parents have done nothing wrong and who have no control over their situation due to war, fleeing war zones, being targeted by religious zealots etc, and yet they dont seem to matter so much because their mother was not a British citizen... who in this case not only rejected the values of the place she grew up in but wholeheartedly embraced the values of a truly hateful system.

Oh ok you’re just making up your own meaning for things.
Anti-Islam does not equal saying you don’t believe someone was groomed. For goodness sake

Faux naïveté is utterly pointless and transparent