Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

She didn’t make herself known, the times journo tracked her down. ( and later wrote an article about how she was in fact a scared and regretful young woman who was still surrounded by Isis supporters in the camp, let’s not forget). Once identified of course her baby could have been saved. They could have been repatriated.

There was a reason why multiple ISIS brides hit international press when they was essentially defeated, it wasn't a case of biased press reporting as to why they all wanted to come back to their homelands after ISIS is essentially defeated. The situation at play here is that she was pregnant and neatly fit in to the IDPOL oppression stack

Lets not forget that she was an active member of ISIS and we wouldn't have heard of her situation if ISIS had been effectively defeated.

Its almost as though the black and white scenario becomes worrying shades of gray..

she would still be in the camp as there is no British Consulate in Syria and therefore no-one to assist her

Somebody did make the rather persuasive point that Journalists have had quite a lot of access.

@nancy75 exactly

Yes, I do understand DonaldT. I also understand that the Home Office has the right to strip someone of dual nationality of their British citizenship if they are considered to be a threat to the country. Sajid Javid has done nothing illegal here.

The greater good is served by applying the rules to everyone even when we don’t like them, limpbizkit. You are being manipulated by a not especially sophisticated Home Secretary, I’m afraid. Feelings are good, but so is thinking.

@KingHenrysCodpiece journalists have their uses when you are trying to influence the opinion of the public & will often be tollerated where soldiers are not

Journalists choosing to visit dangerous places isn't comparable to security personnel being ordered to.

When you have no response to rational, intelligent posts asking you to justify your hysterical ranting... just go to bed! Good move!

Javids decision to strip her of citizenship is almost certainly unlawful and is likely to be set aside. He knows this. He is manipulating you and you are letting him. Silly.

I was always in the let her back minority

Silly child silly girl and signed up to evil
She was too young to understand

And due to her ‘brown’ heritage we don’t forgive her

This whole case is fucked and what it’s uncovered has shocked me

Even weeks ago I was WTF at people
Doing Facebook memes about her

I hate my country sometimes

^We should have extradited her, charged her with being a member of a banned/proscribed group and taken that baby into care or housed her in a mother and baby unit in prison. You know, followed the law?
Instead, we left him to die to appease arm chair bigots.^

I doubt any mechanism currently exists to extradite anyone from Syria at the moment, so there really is no law to follow. Even with countries with which we have extradition arrangements, the process takes time; far longer than the period between her being discovered at the camp and the death of her youngest child. The losing of her British citizenship is really an irrelevance. Noboby would have gone in to rescue her anyway. The baby died because of the circumstance she was in; caused her own actions, however misguided, got her there, unlike many others in the camp who are equally at risk who did nothing to put themselves in that position.

@acciocat

Go look up the origins of "hysterical" and wasn't it Thatcher who said that when they lose the argument, they make it personal?

Which lives would be at risk? It was quite easy to find her (hence journalist) and she would've come willingly.

Where did these soldiers come from? What do you need them for?

Nighty night!

That's a shame, I was hoping you'd answer the question about whose life you'd risk. Somebody else's child no doubt.

What responsibility do her parents take here?

What responsibility do any parents take when their teenagers do stupid shit ?

They sell drugs , self harm , rape , send naked Pictures , shoplift, drink drive , bully , get pregnant , drink drive , race scooters , crash cars

But let’s vilify the Muslims who’s daughters error was stupendously misguided and now have to grieve 3 grand kids

Which lives would be at risk? It was quite easy to find her (hence journalist) and she would've come willingly.

Who should be sent to Syria to find her?

It was a bollocks question.

One daily mail journalist is not generally considered to be equal to the SAS.

She didn't have dual citizenship. Bangladesh were quite firm on that. Sajid Javid set precedent by removibg her citizenship. It was not like in other cases. According to the guardian what he did had been done only once before.

He literally removed her citizenship based on her heritage. On her right to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship based on her having a parent of Bangladeshi origin. And idiots on here and elsewhere were too happy about one stupid woman being denied the right to enter the country to care how dangerous it is to what we supposedly stand (stood) for in this country to remove a British person's citizenship based on their heritage

Are you suggesting that a Daily Mail journalist should be responsible for the custody and extradition of a terror suspect??

Daily mail journalist are not generally in a position to extradite suspected terrorists

He is manipulating you and you are letting him. Silly.

Eh...what, wait...did you say the GOVERNMENT are MANIPULATING us? No, that can't be true. Tell me DonaldT, how do I stand up to the Home Secretary? Should I write to the Guardian about it do you think? Or do I need to go so far as to start a petition? Goodness me, all that time I thought I was making up my own mind about things and now it turns out Sajid Javid is telling me how to think. How silly...

I repeat, javids action was unlawful and he knows that. He took it to appeal to the likes of the people on here. He did not address his mind to the welfare of the child. His own political advantage was the sole consideration. That is obvious. I am glad I am not him. He is a foul person.

A lot of innocent (is there another sort) babies died today. And almost all of them easier to save than this one. One tragedy amongst thousands. RIP little ones

@KingHenrysCodpiece everything you’ve said about heritage/citizenship is right but it doesn’ t change the fact that she is in an area of the world with no British consulate to get her back to the UK so it makes no difference to the fate of the baby.

journalists have their uses when you are trying to influence the opinion of the public & will often be tollerated where soldiers are not

Ok fair enough point, I agree.