Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

This thread is terrifying,

"Western feelings"

"Why the fricking hell is everyone bothered about her one innocent baby"

On MN.

If what is reported in the media is fact then the only person who has put this baby at risk is its mother.

Sense, at last.

Not as terrifying as isis or its sympathisers.

@user1457017537
Both Ms Begum and her three dead infants were British but brown like myself and my children are they worth less than white British people?

All those saying ‘bring her back’
It’s not really as simple as that though? You are then risking other people’s lives..

Why the fricking hell is everyone bothered about her baby?

Because not everyone is a sick sociopath like you. Thankfully. Fucking hell.

Can you understand, klopptimist, that in a civilised society it is laws that determine how these decisions get made, not feelings?
I do not want to live in a country run by feelings.

And there you have it, a journalist from the daily mail, I repeat DAILY MAIL have said Britain was responsible for her and her child, strongly implying that the death could have been prevented. Take from that what you will. I’m off to bed.

Considering the daily mail could get to her easily enough, I don't think any lives would've been at risk.

Well I'm pretty sure that Syria is still a dangerous place, you suddenly sound rather cavalier about human life considering your previous posts.

It’s easy to risk the lives of soldiers when you don’t know them

Sadly @DonaldTwain, I think the horse has bolted.

Reminds me of how women who slept with Nazi's were treated in Sweden etc.

And I'll ask again since you didn't answer, whose life are you willing to risk to retrieve her?

If it were the case that the government weighed the options and judged it too dangerous to secure the child’s safety, that would be one thing. But it did not. It washed its hands of the welfare of a newborn British citizen. Can’t applaud that I’m afraid. That would make me a monster.

@nancy75

"It’s easy to risk the lives of soldiers when you don’t know them"

And even easier when it comes to newborn babies you don't know.

Bluestitch I would like to know the answer to that.
its amazing how free people are with other people lives.

I don’t get it
And English child makes a stupid hideous mistake and we don’t allow her back
But an Afghan man throws acid in his child’s face and we don’t deport him

Fucks sake

Poor baby never had a chance but this is sad

This thread is terrifying.

Isn't it just. This place has really gone down the shitter. I feel like I'm on Facebook reading these ignorant comments. Utterly depressing.

Yes, that of innocent children.

@donald. What about the greater good? You really think saving her and her baby trumps the needs of protecting our innocent babies and children that were killed by the likes of who she supports? It's not where our energies should be invested. Some people love to be do gooders. Let's all concentrate on 'victim' shemima. How often is that little 8 year old girl talked about that was murdered in the Manchester arena? That's a real victim.

Can you answer who should retrieve her please squeezy? You made a very detailed post about exactly what should happen to her but left that part out.

Both Ms Begum and her three dead infants were British but brown like myself and my children are they worth less than white British people?

Quite possibly. Depends on your heritage. There's two tiers of citizenship you see.

Look, I think few people are happy that this baby died. The vast majority of people can agree that the death of a baby is tragic for the family and can feel sympathy with parents who had lost their child.

BUT, the UK did not kill this baby. His parents ensured the baby was born into the situation he was. Even if Shamima's citizenship had not been stripped from her, she would still be in the camp as there is no British Consulate in Syria and therefore no-one to assist her. Nobody would suggest British military, security or diplomatic personnel be put in in any sort of danger to bring her home (and I do think they would be in more danger than a journalist, given that they represent the UK government or military and would therefore be a prime target). If for no other reason than if the Foreign and Commonwealth Office/Home Office went in to rescue this one individual they will have set a precedence that would mean any UK citizen, in any location and in all circumstances would then reasonably be able to expect the same treatment. Which is simply not feasible.

So whether or not she was allowed to come back, I don't think Shamima could practically have found her way home.

We've got the government we deserve.

Happy International Woman's day, from one "hysterical" old bag who has the temerity to suggest that the rule of law may be preferable to this shit storm.

Nighty night!

@squeezysparklyballs our government didn’t send her there, they didn’t make her have a baby, to rescue that baby would have risked the life of a number of soldiers. Why is the life of one worth more than the life of others?

What responsibility do her parents take here?

I can't answer that because I don't know, but considering they seem to have a spokesman in Abase Hassen (Amira's father, who blames absolutely everyone but his family for their daughter's choices) I do have to wonder if they're sympathetic to this sort of view