Forgetting everything but the fact an innocent baby has died

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AIBU to feel unbelievably sad that Shamima Bergum’s baby has died.

The poor mite simply didn’t have a chance in the world he was born in to.

How could she have sent her baby to safety?

The UK are not helping anyone out of Syria because it is too risky, how would they have got this baby out safely and to a British embassy where he could get documents to be flown to the UK?

It is sad that a tiny baby has died, however it is tragic that thousands of people have died and suffered due to the cause that young woman supported/supports. I wish the media would stop giving her so much attention, and let her stay where she is , or go and join her father. She can never be allowed back to the UK.

I'm surprised at how many people doubt her baby even existed. I believe she did have a baby, and that tragically the poor little boy has died. He didn't ask to be brought into this world and the awful conditions he's spent his short life in. I imagine Shamima is feeling the same as any parent who has lost a baby, heartbroken and probably defeated as she knew that her son would be her only ticket back to the UK. It's a sad event but I feel that it's another consequence of her naive actions and unfortunately at the cost of another innocent child's life. The whole situation is sad, I feel her parents should be taking a lot more responsibility. How was she even able to get so engrossed with ISIS propaganda, glamourise it and board a plane with her sisters passport to become a jihadi bride at the age of 15?! How did someone not know what was going on with her? There must have been signs or unusual behaviour! They had their eye off the ball entirely. And now they have to see her on the news, and see the reality of their massive failure, they've lost their 3rd grandchild and their teenage daughter has experienced things our worst nightmares are made of. It's a waste of life. I think that it would be a miscarriage of justice to bring her back now, so many loyal citizens of the UK have died at the hands of ISIS, families and friends continue to suffering all over the country, it would be a slap in the face for them if she was to return.

Very sad about the baby but she can stay where she is.

She was a British citizen, therefore her child was. That’s the law, and laws apply to those we don’t like as well as those we do.
Javid’s decision to strip her of citizenship is almost certain to be quashed, as he very well knows. He is playing the public, which is too stupid to see that.

No, sorry. Doesn't work like that.

This is grotesque.

Someone comes out with some horrible views, therefore the life of their child doesn't matter? That's what people are saying with all the Manchester stuff.

The baby had nothing to do with it. He'll, his mother probably had nothing to do with it apart from talking bollocks about it.

I'm a tough old bag and it's been awhile since something shocked me so much.

The world is going backwards. How the hell can we claim to be the good guys anymore?

@timyteatime spot on.

@Tinyteatime I wasn't far from it myself. Heard the boom. Know someone who went to clean up the mess, the description was stomach churning. No sympathy whatsoever for her and her beliefs. Her choice at the end of the day. Fuck breaking international law.

Oh for fuck's sake, take your baby blinkers off eh squeezy. "The UK let this baby die"? Bollocks has it. If what is reported in the media is fact then the only person who has put this baby at risk is its mother.

Maybe spare a thought for the families of all those killed by ISIS in the UK. What about the Muslim children who get abuse in the playgrounds because of the deeds of ISIS? Normal, harmless everyday Islamic men and women who are harassed in the streets. Do the feelings of hundreds of thousands of British citizens really not matter? Are you saying we should say a great big FUCK YOU to all the people ISIS has affected because of one baby?

Jesus Christ no one is asking anyone to say fuck you to victims of isis. The government needs to act according to law and deal with its own citizens. That is all. Javid chose not to do it because he rightly thought this would enhance his standing in the eyes of the unthinking.

She was 15 when she was groomed and married off to an isis fighter. She's 19 and just lost her third child. Can you imagine how that might feel?! What it might be like to lose not one of your DC but three. All before you reach 20.

^this!

Contraceptives were available to Isis, they were using them so they could carry on raping their sex slaves without getting them pregnant. Maybe she should have got some after her first supposed child died to prevent bringing another innocent child into a medieval style war zone.

Some people are so gullible. They believe any old sob story. We don't know that she had any other children, or if indeed she borrowed a baby to get sympathy so she could be returned to the UK and set up her own terror cell. We don't know if she committed atrocities herself against other women and children, she was married to someone who likely did so obviously condoned it.

Did people really think a welcome home team should have been dispatched straight away to pick her and the baby up?

What happened is nobody's fault but her own.

On the subject of feeling sickened, posters comparing her to victims of grooming like the girls in Rotherham make me sick. Those girls did not commit any crime or support crimes against humanity. She is not your usual teen gone of the rails who made a 'mistake', she obviously had some sort of personality disorder long before she travelled to Syria.

Oh I was working in London when they blew the bus up. So what?

We should have extradited her, charged her with being a member of a banned/proscribed group and taken that baby into care or housed her in a mother and baby unit in prison.

You know, followed the law?

Instead, we left him to die to appease arm chair bigots.

She'll get her citizenship back eventually, so all this was pointless other than to appease certain elements.

Daily mail journalist on newsnight now discussing how she met her and Jerah in the camp. She was sick, they had no heating, she was concerned her baby would get sick. There is no doubt her son exsisted. Unless these journalists are all in in the conspiracy.

Whose life should have been risked to go to Syria to fetch them squeezy?

Shit. I meant that to @user145. Why the fricking hell is everyone bothered about her one innocent baby who she planned to radicalise when we have innocent babies and children dying here because of the actions she's supported. Do people honestly think everyone has a conscience? She won't be weeping into her hands consoling herself on her loss. She's a manipulator.

Ok then being her back and sling her in jail for 10 or 20 years for being a terrorist. To serve the full term and not half and then you’re out. See if she still wants to come back. Or would she prefer a life on benefits with us all supporting her and a council flat whilst she continues her “Islamic” studies.

Jesus Christ no one is asking anyone to say fuck you to victims of isis.

Can you understand that allowing this woman back into the UK would feel like the ultimate insult to the victims? You might say "Well, what about all the other ISIS members who have returned?". My view is that they shouldn't have been allowed back in either.

Nicely put @klopptimist

Considering the daily mail could get to her easily enough, I don't think any lives would've been at risk.

Why the fricking hell is everyone bothered about her one innocent baby who she planned to radicalise when we have innocent babies and children dying here because of the actions she's supported

Because it’s inhuman not to care about the lives of children, regardless of their parents. That baby couldn’t help what his parents believed.

The reason people are bothered about the baby, limpbizkit, is because they are morally literate and understand that children are not to blame for their parents wrongdoing.
Really, if this is evidence of where we are intellect and ethically as a country, god help us.

She seems cold and heartless. In an interview she said that her husband was affected more by the children's death than she was. She comes across as unemotional and distant

She places no value on human life. She supports rape, murder, horrendous atrocities committed on innocent children, women and men. By. Her. Own. Admission. She made disgusting choices and does not regret them. Her own children are her victims too.

The citizenship is a red herring, the baby was in a part of the world with no British embassy, even if Javid had said she would be welcomed home with open arms they still would not have sent the army in to get her out.
Also interesting that we as a country are responsible, I presume that the child would also have Dutch nationality given that his father is Dutch - are their govt also morally bankrupt for not rescuing the baby?