Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

I don't believe for one minute he is "desperate", or indeed in the least bit interested in actually bringing up a child.

He's being used by a campaigning organisation as a poster boy for their agenda, safe in the knowledge that if by some remote chance he does win it won't change anything anyway - he isn't actually going to have to be a parent, he just gets to claim wounded victim status without actually following through.

Anybody who’s lost a baby, whatever the means, wold be able to understand his desperation

I've lost two embryos through miscarriage at longer gestation than this. It didn't make me desperate to force another woman into going through a pregnancy, and it doesn't make me understand how that could make this boy feel entitled to bring an action that will potentially have that effect in future.

I am appalled but sadly unsurprised. I might have known that this is happening in America, what else do we expect from a backwards religion obsessed bible belt whose only purpose is to subjugate women. The religious activist groups who are trying to reverse roe v wade are sick misogynist cunts who will stop at nothing to reduce women to the status of chattal controlled by men. On International Women's Day, this should make every woman on this planet stand up and be counted in their opposition to this.

2 she should have used protection, then shouldn’t she?

Perhaps she did Thunderstorms - the only fully reliable method of contraception is celibacy.

If YOU had a growth inside you (that you had contributed towards), that would limit your life FOREVER, even assuming that you weren't made unwell by it, and survived it's exit when it was ready to come out - would you be prepared to carry it for the full term even if someone else said they would take it over when it had been ejected from your unwilling body?

You would?

Collect your halo as you leave the thread.

And pregnancy isn't just physically challenging - it is emotionally taxing too, whether the decision is to keep the baby or offer her for adoption. The child is part of your life even when not physically present. Abortion isn't an easy option for most women - it's often the only viable option.

AND what's the betting that this heartbroken would-be-father wouldn't have contributed a penny towards the baby's upkeep, or given a minute's worth of help, or indeed done anything except use the child to continue to exert control over this poor girl.

listening to NPR as I read this and news from the Georgia legislature which is debating a bill to limit abortion to before a heartbeat can be detected (6 weeks generally). There is a constant assault on Roe v Wade. At the women's march a few years back the best sign I saw was a Keep Abortion legal sign from the 1980s with a sticker on it "Why do I have to still carry this sign?"

I don’t base my feminism on a made up TV program, thank you.

Every abuse of women shown in that programme has/is being done to real women. Margaret Atwood drew on real life to write it.

@thunderstorms it’s a book, and something any literate person would know about even if they haven’t read it. You’re an idiot and just so you know, I found my root canal 100 times more traumatic than my abortion. The abortion was simple, mostly painless, and I quite enjoyed the next day off work. I have more feelings about the tooth I lost than I do about the unwanted embryo I had removed.

Give him credit for wanting to stand by his mistake and look after the baby.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Honestly Thunderstorms - do you really think that this shiftless, vindictive little arse would have done ANYTHING to contribute to the raising of his child? If so you are very, very stupid.

I don't have much faith in the Alabama legal system, having lived in the South, but I really hope that he will get prosecuted for having sex with a minor as a result of his case.

Give him credit for wanting to stand by his mistake and look after the baby.

God, I don’t often want to be a man but fucking hell the bar is set low for them isn’t it? Imagine if people were this desperate to support women.

I really hope that he will get prosecuted for having sex with a minor as a result of his case.

So do I!

A statutory rape charge is definitely needed here. I wonder f there is a women's group able to fund that?

For women and men there's only one 'consequence' that is similar, and that is it may result in pregnancy. After that choices and consequences differer. All are life changing.

The consequence for the woman has chose if her body remains pregnant, and then live with that choice.

The consequence for the man is he has accept it is not his body. He has no control over the outcome. He can have wishes but the choice is the women's and not his.

I would agree that its her choice. But how would people feel if precautions had been taken and failed for some reason and the female chooses to go ahead with the pregnancy against the mans wishes. Should he still be responsible financially for someone he doesn't want and tried to prevent?

Absolutely disgusting that this is even being taken seriously.

If men wish to have control over their cells, they ought not to leave them inside other people.

Cornettoninja on here you mostly see that if a man refuses condoms as he thinks it's the woman's responsibility.

You'd never see a case like that I don't think, women are rarely so entitled as to believe they should dictate what a man does with his body. Especially not through law.

Yes I would sweeneytoddsrazor, because when anyone choses to have sex they should understand the consequence could be a pregnancy (even with contraception).

After a man has made this choice then, as I've already stated, the other consequence is he can't control the outcome of the pregnancy.

sweeneytoddsrazor yes, because it's for the child not the mother.

It'd be very, very hard to prove he didn't want the pregnancy to begin with rather than changing his mind along the way.

It doesn't impact on his physical autonomy in any way.

Of course it's a shit situation to be in and hard all around, but I don't think men should be able to opt in to support their kids.

I don’t even need to read the comments to know I will be disgusted.

I made the mistake of commenting on a “should a man be told about a woman having an abortion when it’s their child?” And I commented that as it’s her body, her rules...

My god, you would have thought I was murdering babies right there and then. Some of the comments seem to think that women have no bodily autonomy and that the foetus is a priority as long as the man says so.

Should he still be responsible financially for someone he doesn't want and tried to prevent?

Yes, everyone knows contraception still has a failure rate. If you absolutely want to guarantee no pregnancy, you have to remain celibate. Otherwise you take a calculated risk and deal with the consequences.

Soubriquet the last part of your post is the critical bit I think- 'as long as the man says so'.

a) she aborted at six weeks so it wasn't a baby, just a group of cells,

b) it happened two years ago so how can he prove it was his?

c) ignore the GF, you can't help the hard of thinking.

Thunderstorms
Babies are a consequence of sex, not a punishment.

This is where your argument falls apart. As both the United States and most civilised countries around the world enshrine the woman's right to choose wether to continue a pregnancy or not - your belief as stated is fundamentally wrong.

Babies are a consequence of a woman deciding to continue a pregnancy. Married, Single, Within a loving relationship, one night stand or rape. Regardless of the circumstances of conception. End of.

Pregnancy can be a consequence of sex. As can STDs . Both of which are then the sole domain of the woman to deal with.

Babies are a consequence of sex. - They really aren't , thank god. We have free will to make choices.

If men wish to have control over their cells, they ought not to leave them inside other people.

This is my new favourite phrase. I'm going to use it in future if you don't mind me stealing it.

My first pregnancy miscarried. Whereas I hadn't especially been looking forward to having a baby beforehand it shocked and worried me that it had failed, as well as kick-starting a maternal urge. We waited only as long as the doctor advised before trying again. Fortunately it all went splendidly at the second attempt (and the third and fourth). Had we lived in one of those places where you get arrested for miscarrying in case you did it on purpose, I wouldn't have been in a position to conceive DS1. So he, his siblings and his children wouldn't exist today, because I'd have been in prison instead of getting it together with their dad. Is that really what these societies want?

OK, I know Henry VIII used to chop women's heads off for miscarrying [very truncated version] but that was hundreds of years ago and he was mad. It's not exactly an enlightened policy for the 21st century.

oh, and fifth, if the MC counts as the first, whoops.