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Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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amusedbush · 08/03/2019 13:07

metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

OP posts:
ILoveMaxiBondi · 09/03/2019 18:59

Woman is pregnant. Doesn’t wish to stay pregnant. There are 2 possible “fathers”. Who signs the consent form for the abortion?

Soubriquet · 09/03/2019 19:01

@ILoveMaxiBondi

Something tells me I can predict this answer. The mother must have a paternity test to see which father it is and then gain permission from the correct man.

Symposium123 · 09/03/2019 19:02

@Soubriquet I don’t think that follows. A baby sadly dying is different to a baby being killed.

JacquesHammer · 09/03/2019 19:02

If you don't feel ready to have a baby,/ raise a child, your not ready to have sex

What a lot of nonsense. I’ve had a child, lost a child.

I use contraception. If it fails I’ll have an abortion because I legally can. Why would I need to avoid sex when there’s perfectly acceptable methods of dealing with unwanted pregnancies.

Symposium123 · 09/03/2019 19:05

@LunafortJest I’ve not lied. I believe that killing a baby in the womb or out of the womb is wrong. You don’t. Fine. I won’t respond to any more if your hysteria, however.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 09/03/2019 19:05

Miscarriages are unfortunate natural occurances

And when they're not? What if the mother drank,or smoked,or took drugs, or medicine,or didn't wear a seatbelt,or starved herself, or did strenuous exercise,or contracted a disease, or carried too much weight,or cause a fall or whatever other dozen of innocuous, silly or absolutely necessary behaviour that could be linked to the miscarriage? Should she be done for manslaughter ? How far would we police and limit women's behaviour for the sake of a birth at the end?
And that's the gist of it isn't it,no one gives a shit about the mum or baby after the birth.

JacquesHammer · 09/03/2019 19:07

I believe that killing a baby in the womb or out of the womb is wrong

Foetus. A 6 week old pregnancy is a foetus

I won’t respond to any more if your hysteria, however

It’s never a surprise when misogynistic language and pro-forced birth goes hand in hand.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 09/03/2019 19:08

I'm only alive and here ,posting because abortion was illegal. I'll still support a woman's right to decide what she wants to do with her body (keep it,abortion,adopt) for whatever reason.

Gromit78 · 09/03/2019 19:08

Life does start and conception, as the egg and sperm have all the components of creating a human life and a heart starts at a very early part of pregnancy. We all started as an embryos. What mortal being has a right to destroy the process and f a human life to form?

HiHoToffee · 09/03/2019 19:08

This thread is depressing.

No more BODILY AUTONOMY for women (unless it is rape according to some but not all forced birthers)

Posters have raised a good question that hasn't been answered, can the father force an abortion as well?

JacquesHammer · 09/03/2019 19:08

What mortal being has a right to destroy the process and f a human life to form?

A woman. Anywhere abortion is legal.

LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 19:10

@Catsinthecupboard I have never seen this 'sell body parts' statement confirmed. There was a photoshopped video done by anti-choicers regardling Planned Parenthood that was proved to be spliced together, by technical and audio forensic experts. PP donate parts and organs (please realise many of these are from miscarriages or terminations [due to mother having cancer treatments, or her life is in danger]), but they do not sell them. If there is proof out there that parts are sold, I will stand corrected, but I don't believe there is any proof.

"Women who have abortions often carry this as a tragedy in their lives. Why torture women further by harshness?"
Most of the women I know who have had abortions (including a few relatives) don't regret their decision at all. They still say it was the right decision. All but one went on to have children later on, when they were ready. They experienced no 'tragedy' except for the tragedy of being pregnant. Having to carry the baby would have been horrific for them and real tragedy. Having an abortion was a relief for them, not a tragedy. Statistics also show an overwhelming majority of women that have abortions felt no tragedy, only relief.

Just because some men walk away, doesn't mean the ones who don't should get control of the woman. It is a logical fallacy. It's like saying that a woman should want children just because some women would give anything to have children but can't. Or saying we all should eat everything on our plates because, you know, the starving in China. Men produce how many million sperm per ejaculation? He can father well into his 70s. Maybe even 80s. ONE woman isn't his only chance to be a father. If he wants a child, he can find a woman that will bear him one. Its not like this woman is the last and only woman on earth. Bottom line is, a man's happiness (or anyone's, really) should not come at the expense of another person's unhappiness and discomfort.

AbsentmindedWoman · 09/03/2019 19:10

If you don't feel ready to have a baby,/ raise a child, your not ready to have sex

So how does that work for women who enjoy sex but don't feel they ever will be 'ready' to be a parent?

Women with reproductive health problems that would make it dangerous for them to carry a child?

Women concerned about genetic health issues, that they don't want to pass on to any child?

Women who want to remain childfree, for whatever reason, because they have carefully considered that that is what is best for them as an individual human being?

Are you really saying that they should just live a celibate life rather than choose to use contraception responsibly, and have abortion if needs be?

How dare you try to deny women a fulfilling sex life, based on your own bizarre need to police their bodies.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 09/03/2019 19:11

There's 'hysterical' posters on this thread alright...

Soubriquet · 09/03/2019 19:12

So how does that work for women who enjoy sex but don't feel they ever will be 'ready' to be a parent?

Don’t be silly. Don’t you know promiscuous women are devil scum. A woman must stay a virgin until married

HiHoToffee · 09/03/2019 19:13

Miscarriages are unfortunate natural occurances

Will women need to proof that it was a natural occurence?

And the same question regarding rape, will a woman have to proof it?

blueskiesovertheforest · 09/03/2019 19:13

At 6 weeks a foetus is the size of a pomegranate seeds and bears more resemblance to a prawn than a person. It doesn't yet have a brain or spinal cord. It's 6 weeks dated from the last menstrual period, which means 4 weeks from conception.

There would be no foetus to collect, it wouldn't remain in tact outside the uterus.

LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 19:15

@Symposium123 You've just lied again. Just then! You DID lie. You said abortion is Infanticide. Infanticide is a Legal term. Abortion is not Infanticide, as I have proven.

You lied. Continue on with your hysterical IT'S MURDER!! ITS A BABY!! ITS INFANTICIDE!!!!!! as much as you want. Fact is you L.I.E.D

Abortion is not Infanticide. Infanticide is a LEGAL TERM which denotes the murder of an actual born actual human being, within it's first year of birth. You called something Infanticide.

You lied. Your posts on still on here, remember? You lied.

BertrandRussell · 09/03/2019 19:16

If you think abortion is murder -but “cases of rape are different”, what is that difference?

AbsentmindedWoman · 09/03/2019 19:18

Do the people on this thread who have a problem with abortion - specifically, abortion at 6 weeks - have a moral objection to the morning after pill also?

ILoveMaxiBondi · 09/03/2019 19:20

Woman is pregnant. Doesn’t know who the owner of the alien cells is. One night stand on holiday, didn’t get his name. Who signs the permission slip? Is she assigned an appropriate male to decide for her? Does the job automatically fall to her father? What if she has no father? Brother? No brother, so who now? Are there agencies that provide males for this sort of situation?

AbsentmindedWoman · 09/03/2019 19:21

And to be clear - I think abortion should be 'as early as possible, as late as necessary' but I specify 6 weeks because this corresponds with the case at hand.

QuirkyQuark · 09/03/2019 19:21

Good grief what has this thread descended in to...

There are some people on here that do not have a basic understanding of biology and how a baby is formed in the uterus.

LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 19:24

You can say 'I wish abortion was termed Infanticide'. But you can't actually legally call it infanticide. Because it isn't. That is a Legal fact you cannot argue with. It is what it is. And Infanticide is the legal term to denote the murder of a born child up to one year of birth. Clue is in the fact that Infanticide is illegal. Abortion isn't.

JJ2014 · 09/03/2019 19:24

BUT IT"S HIS BABY, TOO

Are you crazy. He doesn't have to do anything else but sit back for 9months. And what's the guarantee he is going to stick around afterwards when he actually realises what being a father means at 17? It's not his body, he has no right. Maybe she doesn't want to keep it because she knows he is not mentally stable?! Plus, what if she then has a horrific life changing pregnancy / birth. And plus, it's not even a baby at that stage. It's not his anything, it's a bit of his DNA. End of. He just has zero respect for womenand it's all about him.