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Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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amusedbush · 08/03/2019 13:07

metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

OP posts:
LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 18:20

@Whyisareallthenamestaken Please grow up. She did not 'murder' his 'child'. There was no child, to murder.

Symposium123 · 09/03/2019 18:21

@LunafortJest please don’t resort to personal insults. You may disagree with me, but we both have the right to an opinion. I believe that live begins at conception. You believe it begins at some point between six weeks and birth; you haven’t revealed your thoughts on this. Both are valid viewpoints.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 09/03/2019 18:21

You do realise that supporting a man into deciding wether a woman can keep a baby also means the reverse? You're also supporting him to have a say in terminating a pregnancy he doesn't want. Because once you give them rights over a woman's body,it works both ways.

NotACleverName · 09/03/2019 18:22

It’s not infanticide so fuck off with that.

And Thunder just admit you’re a misogynist and go, too.

Symposium123 · 09/03/2019 18:23

@Coffeebean76 I don’t think anyone’s said they hate women?

Soubriquet · 09/03/2019 18:24

Well in that case @Symposium123 I’ve committed infanticide.

I’ve had 5 miscarriages including a set of twins.

Ok I didn’t choose to lose my babies, but according to you, life is from conception, those “babies” died and therefore I’ve commited infanticide.

Or does that not count since it was a miscarriage and not a termination.

Why is a miscarriage deemed ok but a termination not?

In your eyes, it’s still the “murder” of a “baby”

ThunderStorms · 09/03/2019 18:26

Why is a miscarriage deemed ok but a termination not?

You really really can’t work that out for yourself?! Confused

Soubriquet · 09/03/2019 18:27

No. Please do elaborate

Both are the deaths of a “baby”.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 09/03/2019 18:29

Well wanting a woman to be forced into carrying a baby fir 9 months, give birth to it and then give it to someone else,all against her will, risking mental health issues and physical issues, permanent damage, even death, once again agains her will.... doesn't sound ver loving does it?

Gromit78 · 09/03/2019 18:32

What about the poor unborn baby's body that is being destroyed. Doesn't he or she have a right to life? Usually it is the father of an unborn who doesn't want the responsibility of being a father and therefore pushes/ persuades the mother to terminate the child. Surely if this man or his family wanted to take the responsibility to raise the child than no baby need die.

LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 18:33

@Symposium123 You resort to personal insult when you minimise infanticide and LIE about it. You got called out your lies. Many infants (who, incidentally, would have been better off not being born and terminated when they had no brain stem and no nervous system so could not feel pain) have actually been murdered by mothers who should never have given birth in the first place. If Baby P's mother for example, when it was very clear she didn't want her child anyway, had aborted, that little boy would not have been through so much pain, when he could feel pain because was developed and had a nervous system and could ACTUALLY feel pain. There are many infants murdered and slowly and painfully by mothers, for you to so callously minimise it.

And this isn't a difference of opinion. This is about LEGAL definitions. Infanticide is the LEGAL definition of a BORN ACTUAL human being being killed within one year of birth. There is nothing 'opinion' about it.

It is a Legal fact, a Legal definition. You can re-word it to prey on people's emotions all you want, but what you are doing is malicious and deceptive. If you are going to use a Legal English term, use it correctly. Stop thinking you can change hearts and minds by the usual pro-birther/anti-choicer/pro-incubatorial slavery tactics. LYING about the terms. It hasn't worked in all this time, it didn't work in Ireland (where they posted photos of almost fully formed foetuses as an example of your average abortion), you don't get it. You keep repeating the same thing, expecting a different result. You have no moral standing because you have to lie and manipulate and deceive. That should be your first clue you are on the wrong side. You can believe life begins at conception (which science proves it clearly does not), you can believe that cows are ducks. You can believe anything you want to fool yourself into believing. But you cannot use a LEGAL TERM falsely.

It's always a surprise to me that the pro-slavery advocates don't understand that lying is a SIN.

NotACleverName · 09/03/2019 18:33

No. A foetus does not have rights. Next inane question?

Soubriquet · 09/03/2019 18:33

The foetus doesn’t know!!! It doesn’t have an consciousness therefore no freaking idea!!

All it cares about is food and sleep.

It doesn’t see there is a future ahead or a past behind it. It just is

burritofan · 09/03/2019 18:34

@Gromit78 Do you mean the six-week-old embryo the size of a lentil? No, not at the expense of the wishes of the woman carrying it. And before you ask, the wishes of the woman carrying it take precedent over the "rights" of the foetus (foetuses don't have any rights) up until it's born.

MeAgainAgain · 09/03/2019 18:35

I posted up thread a link about women in another country being imprisoned for miscarrying.

PortiaCastis · 09/03/2019 18:37

Gromit 78. A group of cells does not have any rights so don't talk rubbish.

LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 18:37

@Soubriquet I am so sorry to read that. Flowers It makes me so angry that people like that poster (I would use the term grub, but hey, I might get deleted) minimise suffering like those from yourself by falsely claiming life begins at conception and therefore a termination of that life is infanticide. It is cruel and thoughtless to people like yourself.

But posters like that are unscrupulous, without conscience and will lie, deceive and manipulative. They don't even stop to think first, they use whatever controversial attention-seeking term they can. To hell with the consequences. They disgusting and immoral. Angry

JacquesHammer · 09/03/2019 18:38

Doesn't he or she have a right to life?

Please tell me that’s not a serious question.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 09/03/2019 18:40

Just wow, the mental gymnastics performed to jump from an abortion at 6 weeks to a murdered child. I bet Stephen King wishes he was this creative.

LunafortJest · 09/03/2019 18:41

@Gromit78

It is NOT a baby!

There is NO actual body. When the vast majority of terminations are performed, is has the resemblance of a blood clot or discharge. There is no actual half-formed body, let alone full body.

Women are NOT incubators. If a man wants a baby, he can find a woman who will carry one for him. He has no right to force a woman into childbirth which is life-threatening, for his selfish pleasure.

The BORN ACTUAL woman always comes before the non-human or non-born.

PotatoesDieInHotCars · 09/03/2019 18:44

This thread is insane.

I'm waiting for someone to say miscarriage = manslaughter.

Catsinthecupboard · 09/03/2019 18:49

My biggest concern is that clinics can sell dead baby parts.

My selfish bil has always said, "never give anyone a vested interest in your death."

Whether you're for or against abortion, i hope that nobody thinks selling dead foetuses is a good thing. Bc that gives the person selling a definite reason to push abortion instead of adoption.

I think both sides need to set aside emotion and look at these arguments with logic and understanding.

Women who have abortions often carry this as a tragedy in their lives. Why torture women further by harshness?

As far as a man saying he wants the baby? How often are men condemned for walking away? Yes, they could use it as a tool to control women, but there seems to be a need for a little bit of at least compassion for him too.

How many of us are thrilled with our dh/dp devotion to our dc? This young man could have strong paternal instincts.

Men are human beings too. Doesn't mean that they should control us. But they aren't disposable animals without feelings either.

Soubriquet · 09/03/2019 18:52

@LunafortJest

Thank you. I won’t say I’m over it, because I never really will be, but I have come to terms. I have two beautiful children now but I do still occasionally think of the what ifs

ILoveMaxiBondi · 09/03/2019 18:56

You think a decision to terminate a pregnancy should have the agreement of the man and the woman? Ideally, yes. Rape is obviously different.

You feel that it is reasonable to take a woman to court if she has an abortion? Totally depends on the circumstances, but in this world of billions of people, there will be cases where it could be justified.

That is sickening.

Gromit78 · 09/03/2019 18:56

Miscarriages are unfortunate natural occurances and can cause great grief. They are not a deliberate action of terminating a pregnancy because the mother doesn't want the baby.
Call me harsh, but pregnancy is a natural consequence of having sex. Not all contraceptions work. If you don't feel ready to have a baby,/ raise a child, your not ready to have sex.