Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

Love the patronising post blue. I completely understand that life isn’t fair. I was only highlighting the fact here which I am perfectly in my rights to do. Anyway I completely disagree that a man has any right to decide what a woman does with her body. I have been pregnant twice and one birth was quite traumatic and no woman should be put through something like child birth if they don’t want to. I only wanted to highlight a subject that was brought up on the post regarding how men and women are told different things when it comes to sex and I don’t believe it to be fair.

If anything good can come of this (not that it will outweigh the damage it will cause) it’s that at least this guy, and any man who supports him publically is giving all women a clear warning of who he is so they can choose never to let his cells near them.

Think of it this way, user. Both sexes play a part in creating a pregnancy, and as you rightly note, the only way for sure to avoid a pregnancy is celibacy. This option is open equally to both sexes.

Only one sex actually gets pregnant and has to bear the consequences of this. This sex - women - has the option of continuing with the pregnancy or not. Only open to one sex, because only one sex actually gets pregnant.

I am also coming from the idea that no man should be able to walk away from a child they have created and agree that more should be done to stop those men from being able to do that

I completely agree that she should have the choice and am pro choice. In the OP case I completely agree with the girl.

ThunderStorms

He lost a wanted baby

Oh puh-lease!

Do you really think if she had said to the then 17 year old boy "I'm pregnant" he wouldn't have run a mile?

He's doing this now - TWO YEARS LATER - because he's been got at by an organisation with an agenda and also because he's safe in the knowledge that he will never have to prove that he wanted and would have cared for this baby (which I'm bloody sure he didn't and wouldn't have).

As for men having no control over whether or not women have abortions or babies against their [men's] wishes, well how often are men in a lose-lose situation versus women? I'm afraid I can't dredge up too much sympathy given the millions of crimes committed against women every single day by men.

Well, say that it does happen that a court orders a woman into forced pregnancy and labour, on behalf of the man that has taken her to court. I hope that they do him and all the legal supporting him, for murdered/manslaughter/assault, should the pregnancy result in injury, disability or death of the woman being tortured and enslaved, in this way. And it would be torture and enslavement to force any woman to remain pregnant.

Fucking hell, 4 billion owed in unpaid child support in this country - where are the men crying about children’s rights over that? They can fuck off, it’s so blatantly about controling women, they don’t give a shit about the kids.

Let’s say this went through though, can she (future woman in this situation) then sue him for using her body as storage for HIS child? Can she sue him for her medical bills, for the trauma, the injuries etc? Could her family sue him if she died in labour? Or would that be soooo unfair on the poor poor men? And what happens if a man forces a woman to continue with an unwanted pregnancy and then fucks off? Any punishment for him? What if he dies or is arrested? Can he demand that she breast feed for months? Can he force her to pay towards child care because he still wants to work of course and not look after a baby all day?

Or is all of this simply about forcing a woman into being a parent?

Give him credit for wanting to stand by his mistake and look after the baby.

But he doesn't, does he? He's in the comfortable position of being able to claim that that is what he wanted without having to demonstrate it by actually taking responsibility for a child for the next 18 years, even if, for instance, that child is born with a disability or illness requiring very high levels of care.

There are so many inequalities that benefit men and disadvantage women that people just seem to accept as the way the world is. Men murder women on an unbelievable scale. Women very rarely murder men. And it feels that hardly anyone cares; when men walk away with pitiful sentences for a woman’s life.

But when the inequality disadvantages the men - people like user huff and puff about it not being fair. A man gets a woman pregnant - oh, he should be allowed to walk away with no financial responsibility because it’s so unfair. Boohoo. Women get pregnant so no, it can’t be equalised. Tough luck, men. Women suffer discrimination, lower pay and all the many disadvantages that pregnancy, child birth and child rearing entail but what they do get is the choice over that foetus whilst it’s in her body. And anyone disputing that isn’t a feminist; they are a misogynist.

However, I certain situations where the woman does not want the baby and the man does, I believe we need to be able to have open (non hysterical) conversations about whether, in some circumstances, the man would be able to keep the baby and take sole responsibility, while the mother absolves herself of all responsibilities.

There's nothing to stop them having that conversation. However, the problem here is that, even if he can't persuade the mother to go along with that idea, this man wants to prevent her having a termination anyway. Do you think that is acceptable, ThunderStorms?

Exactly S1naidSucks and AngelsSins.

men having no control over whether or not women have abortions or babies against their [men's] wishes

No but they sure as hell can fuck off and absolve themselves of parental responsibilities against the mother’s wishes. Any men crying over that? Any men think that’s So Unfair.

Honestly, when there aren’t so many absent fathers in this world, when men happily parent, provide and support their kids, I might be able to take their concerns a little more seriously.

No I would ‘huff and puff’ about all inequalities especially those against women... but this post isn’t about that... please don’t think I am only concerned about inequality facing men

UnspiritualHome - reminds me a lot of the baby Gammy Thai surrogacy case - ditched because he has Downs Syndrome.

Thunder and how would your insane idea work? What if the child wants to meet its birth mother when grown up, mother wants nothing to do with said child. How would that affect the child mentally? And all this just to keep the man happy?

Same as any mother who gives her child up for adoption and doesn’t want anything to do with them. not nice at all, but surely you can see this scenario is not an uncommon one for many reasons.

And what happens in cases of rape? I mean most don’t get to court so let’s not pretend the woman will have proof but her rapists wants to force her to continue the pregnancy? Or what if it was a stranger and she doesn’t know him, is she forced to continue the pregnancy because no man has signed off on the abortion? Or then of course women could just lie and bring in a mate who’ll be willing to say it’s his baby and sign off on the abortion, so how do we stop that? DNA tests on the baby in the womb and who cares about the consequences, even if that could be death/miscarriage?

You just never hear past the arguement of “it’s not fair, it’s his baby too”.

... And actually look who was left holding the baby - the surrogate. The woman who took all the risks for someone else.

They have been eroding abortion rights in the US slowly over the last few years. It is getting more and more difficult to access clinics.

John Oliver covered this a few years ago on Last Week Tonight. The show does a huge amount of research into their content. Really worth a watch to see the current state of America's law makers using "protecting women's health" as a supposed reason to make getting an abortion almost impossible in some cases.

Rape is a totally different scenario.

Give him credit for wanting to stand by his mistake and look after the baby.

Sounds like he understands what he did and is prepared to accept the consequences.

Thunder whatever sounds monumentally thick. He's not prepared to stand by any mistake or look after any baby, because there IS NO BABY.

This is a vengeful and controlling lawsuit launched after the fact.

I know of 1 (one) case where a woman didn’t want to keep her baby (abortion is illegal here in NI) and the father did so she handed baby over at birth and father raised it.

I’m still trying to count how many men I know that didn’t want the baby and walked away. None of them had to birth it first though. Many of them disappeared even before the birth.

@ThunderStorms "She cold hand it over to him like a (surrogate) "
That's disgusting! So she is simply an incubator? You forget; carrying it for 9 months, job loss/loss of wages, blood pressure, weight gain, gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia, back ache, risk of death, AND having to go through labour and childbirth. All for someone else? Get the heck out of here with that!

"men can’t have babies"
And that, is where this ends. They can't have babies, they can't have a say. Full stop.

What amount could he sue for? Surely the compensation would be negative, she has saved him 18 years worth of child support.

Disgusting case.

Rape is a totally different scenario.

Forcing a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth after rape and forcing a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth after consensual sex still equals the same outcome.