Man sues clinic for performing abortion on his girlfriend without his consent

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metro.co.uk/2019/03/07/boy-19-sues-abortion-clinic-giving-ex-termination-wishes-8855393/

I don't even know what to say to this. I made the mistake of reading some of the comments about it on Facebook too.

Surely this can't stand up in court?

ThunderStorms have you ever been pregnant? Have you delivered a baby? Do you comprehend the prevalence of birth injuries and the permanent damage pregnancy and birth often do to the female body? Do you understand how pregnancy and birth, even if the baby is given up, often impact negatively on the education or career (depending upon life stage) of the girl or woman going through them in a way they do not on the biological father of the baby no matter how involved he wishes to be?

user it's because you can't escape biology. The woman is the one who carries all the risks in pregnancy and childbirth. (And there are significant risks: incontinence, back and hip problems, right up to and including death -rare with our medical system, but still happens).

And yes, as a woman, if you really can't cope with the risk of pregnancy, and have moral objections to abortion, you too would be wise to practice celibacy. However, for women who don't have moral objections to pregnancy, they have two points at which they can decide, not one, because of biology. And bodily autonomy. A man's bodily autonomy is not compromised by a woman's decision to have an abortion.

I’m not saying a man should have any say on what happens after they have ejaculated. I am saying that they should also have a second chance to decide they aren’t ready/don’t want a child. Not to force a woman to abort as that is completely wrong -but to decide they don’t want to financially contribute

I completely agree that she has every right to do what she wants with her body. I’m raising the point that it doesn’t seem fair that men are told they shouldn’t have sex ever if they don’t want children but woman aren’t told the same.

Because men dont get pregnant, including having all of the risks that come with being pregnant and childbirth including death.

I am saying that they should also have a second chance to decide they aren’t ready/don’t want a child.

They have that!! This already exists as an option. Plenty of men do it.

I completely agree that she has every right to do what she wants with her body. I’m raising the point that it doesn’t seem fair that men are told they shouldn’t have sex ever if they don’t want children but woman aren’t told the same.

It may seem unfair but it's basic biology. The only 100% certain way for a man to avoid making a woman pregnant is not to ejaculate inside her. If he does that and she does become pregnant he has to accept it is entirely up to her to decide what happens next.

I’m not saying a man should have any say on what happens after they have ejaculated. I am saying that they should also have a second chance to decide they aren’t ready/don’t want a child

Well, unfortunately, evolution decided otherwise.

I’m raising the point that it doesn’t seem fair that men are told they shouldn’t have sex ever if they don’t want children but woman aren’t told the same

The only way to guarantee not getting someone pregnant is to not have sex. My problem isn’t with someone having sex, it’s after having sex which comes with a known risk of pregnancy, a man thinks he has the right to a say in controlling a woman.

I am saying that they should also have a second chance to decide they aren’t ready/don’t want a child

No. The only option available to a man to guarantee no child is to be celibate. As soon as they have PIV sex they are risking a pregnancy, therefore they take the consequences that comes with that.

But that would give even more reason for women to abstain from sex - as they have all the risks. I don’t agree with anyone having to abstain from sex to ensure they don’t have children. I just think both sexes should have the choice to say ‘no I’m not ready/don’t want a child’ for women that would be aborting the child. For men it would be signing away responsibility

I am saying that they should also have a second chance to decide they aren’t ready/don’t want a child

I’m sure there is something out there...like a rubber type of sock thing that goes over the penis...oh god what is it called

The only way to guarantee not getting someone pregnant is to not have sex.

Well, no, they can still have sex, just not the PIV kind.

But that would give even more reason for women to abstain from sex - as they have all the risks

THEY have the risks so they get the say. They also have options. A man doesn’t ergo no say.

For men it would be signing away responsibility

For men it’s when they insert their penis into a woman.

I just think both sexes should have the choice to say ‘no I’m not ready/don’t want a child’ for women that would be aborting the child. For men it would be signing away responsibility
Can you see how that would be a terrible, terrible idea in practice?

Well, no, they can still have sex, just not the PIV kind

Yup. As I said.

user1471464432 being 'told' something is hardly the worse thing in the world. Especially when it's theoretically told on a thread on the internet. Out there in real life men have sex whenever they like and believe the woman should take whatever the consequences there are. They don't care.

On an odd occasion a man might want a baby and the woman doesn't. It seems that the fact that he doesn't (in theory) have any control and his choice doesn't trump everything is too shocking to comprehend for some people.

Thunder
No, boot biologically possible, men can’t have babies. She cold hand it over to him like a (surrogate) and fight for the law to absolve her of all future responsibilities.

Yes I can see that being a successful battle. Like many have said says he does have a choice about having sex. It's not an actual human right. It's her body and her rights to what happens to her body trumps anything he wants.

I've lost a baby too so "his desperation " is bollocks, quite frankly.

Happy International Women's Day all

user1471464432 life isn't fair - most people work that out before their age reaches double digits...

One of the main reasons it can never be fair is biology and medical reality.

Taken on balance and considering only biological sex, the group who benefit most from the generalised biology rooted unfairness of life, are men.

So there's that...

exactly!

"I’m here for the men who actually want to have their baby"

Well, you and those men crack on - go on, have your baby, swell up, give birth, we're waiting...and when you do have your babies, we won't try and funk out of the childcare, honest.....

Blueskies that post ... perfectly worded, thank you.

For men it would be signing away responsibility.

No that would be closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

ps @ Soubriquet

I had three miscarriages, and one of those lost pregnancies left me permanently disabled.

There is no justification for men to be given this extreme control over women's bodies, or be allowed to force women to take this extreme risk against their wills. None.

There are many agendas as to why this boy may be seeking to sue: the most generous attribution here is his sense of grief. Which is hypothetical in the extreme; a six week old pregnancy certainly doesn't always result in a live birth, I've had plenty of experience of that one. The potential impact of his actions on women's rights across the USA and across the world are shattering ones. So I have no sympathy with him.

The word 'feminist' has long since lost all meaning, particularly as some people enjoy twisting the meaning to annoy women they feel are failing to know their place. I tend to now recognise feminists via the quote: 'by their deeds shall you know them'. There's a lot of them around on MN.

I just think both sexes should have the choice to say ‘no I’m not ready/don’t want a child’ for women that would be aborting the child. For men it would be signing away responsibility

They can!!

It doesn’t matter if he was the very archetype of men, sans puer et sans reproche- a cross between Obama, David Attenborough and Alan Rickman- he still doesn’t have a say in what a woman does with her body. It’s incredibly sad if the man wants the baby and the woman doesn’t. But it has to be up to her. It just has to be.