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Gossip that has gone very wrong

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ChorltonCreamery · 07/03/2019 14:19

One of my children is in an 'organisation' think church group, Scouts etc They are in a friendship group of about six or eight and the mothers are friendly enough, if some of them don't know each other they will have mutual friends etc.
One of the women 'A' is a real character, very funny and charismatic with very talented and charming children. When one of her children came to my child's birthday party I thought that her grandfather had brought her...it was their father. A is married to a man old enough to be her father. He has grandchildren who are older than his children with A.
At the weekend the mothers went out together for the first time but 'A' couldn't come. The conversation turned to 'A' and the relationship that she had with this man. At no point was it 'nasty' as such but comments were made about the age gap etc. One parent admitted that the family had not been invited to a gathering at a school friend's house because the husband had found it weird to have to talk to someone old enough to be his dad.
Well last night in front of some of the children 'A' confronted us! She had been briefed (I think by a woman at the next table to us who had lingered after her bill came). She completely demolished us intellectually, asking what had she done to provoke such a reaction and picked on us individually. Unforgivably she then asked a teenager whether her mother had brought her up to behave so despicably a manner and whether she thought it was appropriate to gossip behind people's backs. One of the group disappeared round a corner and was sick.
It was utterly hideous. I know I am guilty of joining in. I don't know what to do. One of the other children has told my child what happened. Only one of the group has responded to my text saying that she thinks that 'the circle' is at an end and the other person that she has spoken to has spent the morning in bed with a migraine.
I know I am to blame for joining in but I didn't initiate the gossip, but how would you react now. What is the way forward?

OP posts:
PinkPanther27 · 09/03/2019 13:07

@Ellyess the OP has been back and updated with some other 'horrible' things that were discussed further up this page.

LaMarschallin · 09/03/2019 13:15

If it was meant, and I've no reason to think otherwise, the OP's last post was brave and shows they've learned something. That can't have easy to write.

Ellyess · 09/03/2019 13:16

PinkPanther27. Many thanks. I've been trying to find them. do you know which pages they are on?

TheKingsofCleon · 09/03/2019 13:20

I suspect there were a lot of tinkly laughs involved.

'Oh my, could you do it with an older man?' Tinkly laugh

We all know this was pure bitchiness and jealousy.

RedHatsDoNotSuitMe · 09/03/2019 13:23

ChorltonCreamery I'm tremendously impressed that you've come back (after over 700 posts, most of them lambasting you) to update.

I think that shows real guts (puking and migraines aside!).

Good on you, and I hope there is a way forward for all of you.

This thread's become ridiculous now, so I'm even more impressed by you continuing with it.

Ellyess · 09/03/2019 13:34

ChorltonCreamery

That's a wonderful response! Very brave and well said!

I think nobody should judge you when you say "I felt uncomfortable and should have stopped those joining in". There have been occasions in the past when I have felt uncomfortable about what people have been saying and I felt too outnumbered and not brave enough to say I did not like what was being said. As I've grown older I have found it easier to just say what I believe and I am not worried if some people don't want to be friends with me because of it. I don't go round deliberately hurting people but in situations like the terrible one you found yourself in I now find it easy to just stand up and say I don't like or agree with the way people are talking. I remember saying to my mother amongst a group of her friends that I did not think we should be talking about my dear cousin in the way they were. I thought it would start a row that would see me cut off, thrown out - Heaven knows what! But they went a bit quiet and two of my Aunties looked at me and nodded their heads vehemently looking relieved.

Stick to your principles. This might be a good thing to have happened, once you get over the shock. You will be stronger, you'll know yourself really well, you will have courage to stand up for your beliefs there and then. You have also seen that A has her faults because her behaviour towards the teenager is, in your words, unforgivable.

I'm so sorry it all happened but I do hope a lot of good will come out of it. I think you are a very good person and honest and from now on your courage, which you demonstrate here, will not desert you in any other situations and you'll act decisively at the precise time and not let a situation become a disaster.

Wishing you lots of luck. Love from Elle Flowers

HerewardTheWoke · 09/03/2019 13:36

If grown women are taking to their bed and vomiting after being caught out gossiping then you must have been absolutely vile. I guess you were probably speculating publicly on their sex life too.

I don't particularly get the sense that you or anyone in the group actually likes her, maybe because you're all jealous of her. I agree with the PP who says you should just own your own nastiness, and leave her alone.

TheKingsofCleon · 09/03/2019 13:44

I find sex with an older man much more satisfying. They're not like bucking broncos. Men in their 20's and 30's haven't a bull's notion how to please a woman.

Give me an older man any day.

Gina2012 · 09/03/2019 13:44

Good for you @ChorltonCreamery for returning and commenting

We all make mistakes and we have all bitched and gossiped (unless there are some angels posting on MN)

All we can do when we make a mistake is apologise , mean it and never do it again

That is all we can do

Ellyess · 09/03/2019 13:46

PinkPanther27. Just want to thank you so much for telling me. I found it and am so glad to have read it. You have been very kind to make sure I saw it and I appreciate that you didn't jump on the "slag off Ellyess" wagon! I've started to get a sinking feeling when an email says "You have been named on MN..."!!
Anyway I think the OP is a very decent person who got stuck in an awful situation and wishes she had had the courage at the time to say she didn't like the change in the conversation. But surely it would take a very hard hearted person to judge her for not saying so at the time? It is frightening when a group are all of a particular feeling or view, to stand up against them. In fact there's a very strong piece of Psychology Research (I'm a Psych) that has demonstrated this over and over again for years. It's the Asch Conformity Paradigm.
I was very worried about the OP in this thread as people were so strongly against her and she had already begun by saying she wanted to make amends. Also so many - the big majority - started adding things which were not in the original post. It's good that she has told us about the discussion and how it took a change of direction and the subject which caused it to be controversial. Also she was unhappy then. She's clearly not at all bad. A very good and well-meaning person I think.
Thanks again PinkPanther27. I'm sure I've 'spoken' happily with you somewhere before on MN!

HarrySnotter · 09/03/2019 13:54

If we stick to what the OP says we may be able to speak sense.

Sadly, @Ellyess, I think you have shown that that is not the case.

Well done for updating though.

TSSDNCOP · 09/03/2019 14:04

Oh well, as long as OP has sent a text to A apologising that's all ok.

As you rightly say OP you should feel contrite.

I would tell you this though, if I were A and felt as strongly as she clearly did about the table gossip you were a part of, a text wouldn't come close to rehabilitating you in my opinion.

I'm sure there are some that will disagree with me, and say you've apologised, you feel contrite blah blah.

But your apology by text is the easy way to absolve your conscience and even now your apology is not unreserved shown by the teenager point.

SadieContrary · 09/03/2019 14:17

My DH is almost 20yrs older than me and I'd be so upset if I was in A's shoes.

Your friend's DH who didn't want to spent time with him is a twat. The DH's of my friends who are ages with me are all good mates in their own right with my DH. I've never read anything so ridiculously ageist.

If you genuinely like A as a person then you owe her, and her DH a massive apology. Yes, you didn't instigate the gossip but you didn't stop it either.

PinkPanther27 · 09/03/2019 14:25

Thanks @Ellyess, this post seems to have gone off topic now and turned into a bitchfest! I think the OP has got the message loud and clear now and has taken responsibility for her part. Hope she can make amends.

SuspiciouslyMinded · 09/03/2019 14:59

Well OP, you got a lot of feedback here already. I can only add that unless you’re all 15 (you do act like teenagers) and A’s husband is 45 it’s really nobody’s business what’s going on in their marriage.

And the guy who didn’t invite A’s husband to a party is a nasty piece of bigoted, ageist turd.

AlexaAmbidextra · 09/03/2019 15:51

I like to stick to the facts. In this case the facts are what the OP wrote in the OP.

Well of course they’re not. They are merely the facts according to the OP.

YourSarcasmIsDripping · 09/03/2019 15:57

And the fact is that OP doesn't know it was the woman, she just suspect because she didn't leave straight after paying the bill(like many many people do).

stacktherocks · 09/03/2019 15:59

One of the group disappeared round a corner and was sick.

This is so laughingly incongruent with what actually happened it’s up there with ‘snapped and farted’ for me. I’m laughing so hard my eyes are streaming 😂

WhoWasIt · 09/03/2019 16:49

@ Ellysess. Any gossip, however you dress it up, is nasty.
Saying negative things about someone behind their backs, is nasty
Dont come all psychshite with me. Gossip can ruin peoples lives and if you think that isn't nasty then you need your head testing.
The womans relationship has nothing to do with anyone else at all, yet she was subject to having her her husband gossiped about. Nasty. That IS a fact of the matter.
Quite frankly i think woman A showed a remarkable restraint in the circumstances by only calling the gossips out, i wouldn't have shown such a restraint.
Hopefully the OP and her friends have learned a lesson from it.

ToftyAC · 09/03/2019 17:04

@whowasit

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adiposegirl2 · 09/03/2019 17:09

Shock At how this thread has descended... Well not really as this is mumsnet after all

MrsGK · 09/03/2019 17:23

It’s real life - we’re all guilty of getting sucked in to conversations that might not be entirely appropriate on occasion. I’d dump the attention seeking migraine & chucker duo they put themselves first & whimped out straight away ! The person who actually reported this to A did not do so to be kind to her - she was cruel - she could have had a go at you lot & defended A - it was never going to end well was it ! I agree that a card & an apology is a start - maybe ask to meet up & grow a pair!! Good luck

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