AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

It also seems like antivaxxers gloss over what the childhood mortality rate was before vaccines and modern medicine. Of you want a modern equivalent look up the child mortality rate for travellers as they don't often access medical treatment, it will shock you.

Is it possible for a child to be born perfectly healthy and then develop autism due to environmental factors later on? The theory I've heard is that the genes for autism would manifest themselves before the child is born? Is that not true then or do we not know?
I was a bit sceptical about that theory because of the source, but I have a son who has just been referred for an ASD assessment aged 3 and he was showing signs from very early on.
He had his MMR and I wasn't worried about it in that way. I'm very surprised at the people saying they were terrified and shaking. The reality of life is that children could become ill or have an accident at any time. Worrying doesn't change it, just go with the best medical advice available at the time.

Many studies
asthma.net/living/hydration-and/

I don't understand how parents who don't vaccinate their children aren't thought to be guilty of neglect as ultimately that's what is happening.

Did you actually read your own link 🤣. They say it doesn't cure asthma but can help keep you healthy, as you know being hydrated is generally good for you, and can be part of a treatment package. Nowhere does it state to drink water as an actual treatment.

The article you've linked to includes the sentences:

I have read many articles recently on blogs and websites claiming dehydration is the real reason people have asthma, and/or promises that your asthma can be “cured” if you just drink enough water. Of course, there is no cure for asthma, but a good asthma and general health management plan should include drinking plenty of water.

And

A search of the medical literature does not show any extensive evidence that dehydration itself is connected to asthma as a trigger. It is well known, however, that asthmatics are more sensitive to dehydration then non-asthmatics.

It agrees with what everyone except you has said - that staying hydrated is part of good general health and asthmatics should take particular care to keep themselves in good general health. It does not say that water is an alternative to an asthma inhaler, as you have claimed!

The point is even asthma.net agrees it helps .... but fine ...keep taking the pills
My original source was the book ‘Your Bodies Many Cries for water’ the doctor who wrote it claims long term change cures most asthma ... I was sceptical at first but tried it and it works...for me

Sorry, cross-post rainbow

@breeze44 genetics are very complicated and quite a few genes aren't 'turned on' right at birth. This means that environmental changes can turn on or alter genes (epigenetics) and as an organism grows hormones etc turn genes on and off. This means that autism probably is genetic but there is no rule that says the gene has to be active from birth.

Just, good grief.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990607071643.htm

JRMisOdious I can only imagine you’re one of those chronically unwell, continually relying in the next medication type of person...whose ailments are nothing to do with lifestyle

I don't understand how parents who don't vaccinate their children aren't thought to be guilty of neglect as ultimately that's what is happening

It isn't. It would be if immunisations were completely risk free. But as I have said ad nauseum on here, the existence of vaccine damage legislation rather points to that not being the case. But parents don't want compensation, they want a healthy child, and as I said in my original post, they consider the risks of the illnesses to be smaller than those of the vaccine especially eg if you have a boy why worry about rubella (herd immunity aside).

There was concern about the MMR and autism before Wakefield came on the scene. That is often forgotten. I have no idea what he is trying to achieve in the US now other than earn lots of money of course.

What I also don't know is whether the formulation of today's MMR vaccine is exactly the same as it was 20 years ago. Certainly other vaccinations have changed eg ds still received the live polio vaccine but I believe that's not the case anymore? If the vaccine were formulated differently to the one that caused controversy, parents may be less concerned.

There is always a tendency on MN to categorise all"anti-vaxxers" as being crazy halfwits. Accepting other people's concerns and dealing with them respectfully would go a long way to persuading the doubters. Brexit was caused by the same thing - people weren't allowed to express concerns about immigration because they were accused of being racist. So because nobody was listening they voted to leave. Get out of your echo chamber, listen to other views, don;t shout them down as being idiots/racists/whatever, and you might change a few minds. I've said it in other threads but there is too much polarisation. Just because you believe yourself to be right, doesn't mean that you are. There are (nearly) always shades of grey.

Rainbowjellies
I said to try it to see if it helps... it did for me...clearly it’s recognised as making a difference www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990607071643.htm

havingtochangeusernameagain.... well said 💕

The thing is, I genuinely don't think you have the critical thinking skills to understand the difference between 'dehydration is particularly bad for asthmatics' and 'a normally hydrated person drinking extra water can cure asthma' - which makes it tough to argue logically with you!

No, I’m 55, 5ft 8, walk close to a 10 mile circuit with my dog 5 days out of 7 (moonwalk each year in just over 6 hours) weigh 64 kilos, rarely take a paracetamol. Dont smoke, rarely drink and after recovering remarkably quickly at nearly 53 from single mastectomy following (inherited) breast cancer am even more determined to live a long and healthy life, like my 80 year old mother who still walks 5 miles each day.
My 2 fully vaccinated, ideal weight and active children are perfectly healthy other than asthma and hayfever which is well controlled with wonderful, fully tested medication.
You stupid person.

“Study finds MMR vaccine doesn’t cause autism”

And in other news: Water is wet, the sun is hot and the sky is blue.

I wonder how much money has been spent on a study that has come up with results already known by everyone with a shred of common sense.

I have no idea what Teyem’s hydration levels are, just that it could help. And since most people don’t drink enough water and asthmatics are particularly sensitive to dehydration, I figured she could ‘try it’
Most people aren’t aware of the link
Read this www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990607071643.htm

That literally states dehydration is bad for you, especially if you have asthma. Everyone knows dehydration is bad for you. It doesn't say drink water instead of medical treatment.

As for the vaccine damage risk if I remember off the top of my head risk are 1 in a million of not more while death from measles is 3 in 1000, which risk are you more willing to take? I think many people have forgotten how deadly these diseases were due to vaccines and modern medicine, kind of ironic really, vaccines have become a victim of their own success.

Typing quickly on my my phone is not good for typos 😂

JRMisOdious I can only imagine you’re one of those chronically unwell, continually relying in the next medication type of person...whose ailments are nothing to do with lifestyle

I don't understand this point

There are illnesses that require medication and can't be cured by a lifestyle change

Cathmidston
You clearly dont understand how small pox was spread and prevented by vaccine.
In some countries it was not endemic. It was bought into ports through shipping.
Smallpox unlike other viruses is only spread when the spots are active.
So when new cases were identified a zone was established with the cases at the epicenter and everyone within that zone was vaccinated, hence the appearance of low vaccination rates.

Measles was not seen as a benign disease back in the 60s. When i got it my parents got a letter from the health authorities and were told to quarantine us etc. The library ha d notices inside books that if anyone in the household had measles and mumps that we were not to return books and notify the library.

It is well known that research doesn't 100% prove anything. It could be a both a genetic vulnerability activated by something in the environment. These studies are often funded by the pharma companies developing the vaccine. It would be pretty easy to drop a study that showed something you didn't want to show. Just saying....

I don't get why people start these threads. People will always be wary of vaccines (for the record, I have only omitted one that is known to cause and severe reactions in my family) , it will not change. Being so militant about it isn't going to convince anyone (and may just convince them that you're working for one of these pharmaceutical companies)!

@Rainbowjellies, thanks for the explanation. It does seem very complicated and quite possibly impossible for us to identify the exact factors in each individual case.
I suppose I assumed that those genes were activated in my son's case because he showed signs so early and also because of the theory I heard which linked induced labour to autism (I had an induced labour), and because I had some very mild traits of ASD myself. But obviously I can't really know.
I don't regret getting the MMR for him though.