AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

We all seem to hear so much about autism these days and I know of a number of people who are on the autistic spectrum. It seems to be on the increase over the past 20+ years. It would be great to know what does cause it.

Better diagnosis.

Classrooms going from sitting in rows in a grey room to sitting around tables with bright displays on every was and even strung across the ceiling meaning it is more obvious. I was told this be a SEND teacher, and I'd love someone to do a study.

Tech industry. I believe (and I know that's not data) many autistic people were single, but working in an industry where there are more people who 'get' you means you have more opportunities to find a partner and obviously if both parents are autistic the chances of a child having it is increased.

Is it possible for a child to be born perfectly healthy and then develop autism due to environmental factors later on? The theory I've heard is that the genes for autism would manifest themselves before the child is born?

People with autism are no more or less healthy than those who don't have it.

Anecdote - not data

I have no diagnosis but tick lots of boxes, I'm incredibly stubborn and even when I can see it is not the best option I find it hard not to be.

When my mother was pregnant with me I was presenting as breech, so my mother went the#rough the procedure to turn me. Within an hour she felt me turn back.

She went through the procedure again with some time resting before she was allowed home. I turned breech.

After the third time the opinion was that they would have to turn me while she was in labour or deal with a breech delivery.

The day before I was born I turned to present head first.

Rufusthebewilderedteindeer

I don’t think there is a point.
It was a nah-nah-nah-nah-nah post because I criticised this wacko’s claim that a glass of water could be used instead of an inhaler to bring an asthma episode to an end (which they have back pedalled on a bit since, incidentally, claiming instead they were only suggesting being well hydrated could help asthmatics. As it helps most people!)
They couldn’t be more wrong, as it happens. I’m remarkably fit and healthy at 55 and barely use meds of any sort.
But people like this often believe illnesses are the fault of the sufferer.

@OwlBeThere
I don't see how it is insensitive or an ignorant statement, as at the end of the day I would rather have a child born how they were born than like I said allow them to get a preventable disease. Nobody causes a child to have autism people cause children to have measles, mumps or rubella by not protecting them

People with autism are no more or less healthy than those who don't have it.
Yes, you're right, that was the wrong word. I didn't want to say 'normal'. Maybe I should have said neurotypical.

Thats certainly how it was reading to me JRM

Im on long term medication...otherwise healthy (not gonna say fit as thats an outright lie )

I actually said ‘try it, it helped me... worked like a treat for me .... if it doesn’t work, no harm done, but worth a try’
FFS

I suspect that even many anti-vaxx cranks give Cath a wide berth. She seems to believe in medical theory that had been discarded 200 years ago.

What should we do about most illnesses Cath? A spot of leeching? Star charts? Trepanning?

You’re referring to germ theory lol
Works for me and my DC... fit healthy, no meds and we don’t stay away from sick people yet we don’t ever seem to catch anything

You know I think people get so frustrated as being as terrified of vaccines as some people seem to be is completely illogical. Vaccines are far less dangerous than the diseases they are protecting against, yet the parents don't seem scared of the disease, why not? There are so many studies that show they are fine and they're not part of a big pharma conspiracy but they will deny that and instead use some random on the internet with no proof, no scientific knowledge, no actual experience and who knows what agenda and take that as fact? It's mind blowing how illogical they seem to be.

What I will never understand with anti-vaxxers is that they are adamant about their child not having injections that could save their life, but, if their child were too get ill they would be in hospital, having injections/drips and more .That one I will never get. Surely if you are that opposed to vaccinations, you are opposed to all medicines/ doctors and hospitals ? That way of anti vaxxers thinking I will never understand. I knew an anti vaxxer who claimed she wouldn't let her child have the vaccinations because they weren't vegan (she was hardcore vegan) and she was very very adamant about it bordering on preachy. But then she was saying she started giving her child eggs to eat as she was worried he wasn't eating enough and in actual fact he liked them. Now surely, upon that thinking because you have now given your child eggs to eat you can vaccinate him ?

When Kat Von D then announced she was an anti vaxxer a lot of people came crawling out the woodwork supporting her. I just can't get my head around it nor understand.

Just a thought..

cath

It may well keep you healthy and that's lovely

But there are illnesses or issues that require medication, that are nothing to do with lifestyle

I have never had measles and mumps

I have managed that by the power of my mind ...and beer

(Of course i havent...ive just never had measles and mumps)

Rufus I’m sure there are, but I dont think there are that many
Give me an example of something and I’ll tell you what I would do... I’ll get flamed but it can’t be any worse than already x

Rainbowjellies I've come to the conclusion that it is pointless have a discussion with the hard core anti vaxxers (or pro diseasers if you prefer). They are the embodiment of a chess playing pigeon- no matter how well thought and backed up out your arguements are, they will just end up knocking over all the pieces, shit on the board and claim they have won. It is a shame because there will be genuine people seeking out help for doubts but these threads will only go one way. I do wonder if some of the worse are Poes or Russian bots as the level of stupid hurts.

You don’t believe in germ theory?

Down the rabbit hole ...

On another thread Cath proclaimed that death from Ebola - and all other contagious disease - is in fact caused by poor diet and a bad lifestyle.

Don’t bother.

cath

no you're alright

Im happy with youre agreement that there are such issues, even if they aren't prevalent

Tbf, and at the risk of derailing the thread further, my hydration levels are probably poor as I just rely on thirst to regulate how much I drink. I've never heard of asthmatics being particularly prone to dehydration. So, the point - is not totally wasted on me.

Ok catch, cholera epidemics which are common in refugee camps, would you be happy to drink that water because you’re “fit and healthy and germs don’t exist, and your lifestyle being healthy will protect you from cholera”

Someone with smallpox, would you lick them because germs dontto exist?

Sex with someone it’s HIV...not a problem, no such thing as a virus. It only develops if you’re unhealthy.

God forbid your kids ever get ill, because you won’t seek treatment until the are at death’s door.

Teyem 💕
Try drinking at least 2 litres a day for a week or so... I know it’s hard... just to see if it does help. If it ends up reducing your need for meds then great... if not, it won’t do any harm xx

Good sanitation prevents the spread of disease because germs exist, and if you stop them spreading then you stop the disease.

Better diets and fitness make our bodies and immune systems stronger, but immune strength is also a genetic lottery.

Our society has become cleaner and healthier compared to the Times of bubonic plague etc. If plague broke out today, we'd have better survival rates because our bodies are stronger, but it would in no way be guaranteed that our improved diets would save us. If the plague broke out and a vaccine was offered, you'd be having it because no one would risk it. If a hemorrhagic fever became a pandemic, you'd be having whatever they offered to prevent your catching it, because there are some things the body just cannot fight alone. And no amount of great diet will save you.

Just for the record it isn’t just diet..... it’s sanitation, clean water, living conditions, working conditions, psychological stressors, toxins etc
All equally important IMHO

Actually some traditional remedies do work well, but there is so much evidence to show that vaccines are effective and safe for most people that I don't see why you would reject them.

Medicine, sanitation and diet all work together. When one starts to go downhill, we need more of another but no matter how fantastic 1 or 2 of those things are, you will never not need the 3rd if you want to keep on living.

Handy that good sanitation and clean water keep germs away.

Actually some traditional remedies do work well

Traditional medicine doesn't work well at all at preventing infectious diseases. Not the kind that is preventable by vaccination.

And Cath again? I've asked her before on another thread if she'd have sex with an HIV+ person. Don't expect any answers.