AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

Anybody who think "big pharma" are just in it for the money and the "heroic" anti-vax leaders aren't should investigate just how wealthy Andrew Wakefield has become. He hasn't suffered one iota from the controversy.

So rainbowjellies how was it eradicated in countries where less than 10% or virtually none were vaccinated?
If you look at the incidence of all these infamous diseases, they were declining naturally along with clean water, effective sanitation and nutrition etc ...except for small pox that is where the incidence of small pox often increased massively with vaccination campaigns.

It's called hard immunity, if you vaccinate most of a world population then the disease can't spread and regardless of small populations of less uptake the disease does out ergo eradication. That's literally the point of vaccination. Yes, clean sanitation does help but smallpox is not a sanitation disease so not sure why it would eradicate it. And I'm interested to know where you got your data from as all the articles I've looked at says where people where vaccinated there chance of death was 2% compared to 40% of people not vaccinated.....

P.s the death rate for measles before vaccination was 3 in a 1000 so yeah a totally mild childhood disease.

Herd not hard

“That study is not completely unvaccinated vs vaccinated”

I hope to providence that there never is such a huge scale study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, which would require hundreds of thousands of children being offered up as experiments to debunk all of this flawed nonsense.
Thankfully there aren’t enough crackpots willing to risk sacrificing their children’s safety to their extremist principles.

There are already enough completely unvaccinated children in the U.K. to do a study ..if they were interested...to compare across the various socioeconomic groups

I’d happily contribute

I'm also interested @cathmidston whether you use any kind of medical care? Because if you hate vaccines so much I hope you don't bother using antibiotics or inhalers or anything like that. I also wonder if your child was to get one of these 'simple childhood diseases' would you get any form of medical treatment for them? As if you do then that's very hypocritical of you.

I haven't had a vaccination for MMR. I had measles, mumps and rubella as a baby/ child before the vaccinations were offered.

I also use an inhaler.

Not sure I want to be a guinea pig though.

Inhalers definately no
Antibiotics..highly unlikely
Anti inflammatory no
Antipyretics no
Steroids nope

So what’s your point exactly?
DC occasional snuffle when they were younger, mild short lived fever twice, never had ear infections or anything...

Ah okay and if your child dies will you also be bothered? If they could've been saved by any of those treatments will you be bothered?

Would you get treatment for cancer?

I haven't had MMR either, I'm too old. I had measles and rubella as a child though.

On a slightly different note, does anyone know why they choose 8,12 and 16 weeks for the baby vaccinations? I remember reading that babies don't fully produce their own antibodies until around 6 months, so surely these vaccines are less likely to be effective?

A large glass of water?

I'm on seretide 250 2x2 and Spiriva, for that I get a peak flow of 350 on a good day and steroids when it gets bad.

I think I'm beyond a glass of water.

But to add ...obviously prevention is better so try and stay adequately hydrated... 1.5 - 2 litres of water daily... and obviously I’m not advocating this in a serious asthma attack!

Oh yes and I know a few people who have never been vaccinated and they have illnesses every 2 minutes.

Fair enough 💕..but try increasing your water intake for a few weeks and see if that makes any difference... worth a try especially if you’re taking that much medication for it x

If ds relied on water to treat his asthma he would be dead by now.

Actually he would have been dead before the point of being old enough for vaccines if it wasn’t for nebulisers and steroids (and a host of other itu treatment)

Rainbowjellies...Every 2 minutes? That’s interesting

@EwItsAHooman sounds quite like my younger ds paticularly the 'when sensory needs' are not being met.

What things do you & school do to meet your ds needs?

Thanks.

Well yes pretty much seeing as they complain about being ill everyday.

More likely than your water cures asthma claim, have you tried submitting your research to Science? You would be famous!

@JRMisOdious yawn

asthma.net/living/ask-the-experts-is-there-a-connection-between-dehydration/

Nothing wrong with trying to stay healthy and hydrated, but asthma can kill quickly 😮😮

So I’m guessing they’re taking bollox as well then
asthma.net/living/ask-the-experts-is-there-a-connection-between-dehydration/

I just can't understand why people are more scared of autism than allowing their child to possibly contract a preventable disease

the whole MMR debate aside, this is a really insensitive,ignorant thing to say. Autism can be devastating to a person and a family. I have 2 autistic children, my son severely affected. he can't talk, he can't be left alone for a minute, hes still in nappies at 15, he'll never do anything independantly, he hasn't ever told me he loves me, he essentially is a giant toddler who routinely bites me and scratches me, and is now bigger and stronger than me. My daughter whilst far less severely affected, struggles to make friends, self harms due to the crippling social anxiety she suffers, has an eating disorder, and generally finds like hard.
possibly thats why people are scared of autism. fucking hell.