AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

How exactly did your children acquire this miraculous zero risk status?

It's not my son who has it, I was answering your question, I think you really don't understand how diseases and viruses work and spread. A non vaccinated person can catch a disease, said disease can then mutate and a vaccinated person can then become infected but the infection will be lesser as they will have some protection from the vaccine. This is how immunity works full stop, if your child has antibodies from your breast milk they are not then immune from disease but they will have become less sick as the body will be able to deal with it. This is the basis on which vaccines work it stops strains being so virulent it is not a bullet proof shield.

If you want to understand epidemics and immunity properly I would suggest reading up on the Spanish flu epidemic from 1918, soldiers who caught the first milder strain were then protected when the second more deadly strain appeared. This did not mean they didn't get sick, just that they were much much less likely to die. The epidemic stopped only because everybody that could die had died from the disease.

Oh yes Cath your children have zero risk of complications from any disease! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! I really hope you never have to witness your child having a serious disease but if you do the only person to blame would be you.

I also forgot this point risk of injury NOT INCLUDING death is 1 in a million death from a vaccine injury is an even smaller chance.

vinylsamso

Just curious....where did you get your doctorate in Immunology? If you know so much about pro vax I'm assuming you've studied it in great detail? Not just used the internet where studies have shown the information is heavily biased towards the anti-vaxx movement.

"Every year in the United States between 3,000 and 4,500 severe vaccine reactions are reported to the Centers for Disease Control. Not mild reactions.3 Feb 2015

www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/03/bob-sears/what-cdc-statistics-say-about-vaccine-illnesses-in/

www.nap.edu/read/13164/chapter/2#24

Just curious....where did you get your doctorate in Immunology? Typical snarky remark made to anyone who questions anything.. so where did get yours? Because if you knew anything about immunology, you’d know that antibody production is only one part of it, and many scientists believe cellular immunity is far more important..something that isn’t even measured or understood in relation to vaccines

Further to the points about herd immunity, willfully unvaccinated people put everyone at risk including people who have been vaccinated.

I had no immunity to Rubella despite being vaccinated against it eight times. The measles and mumps part of the vaccine took but for some reason my body ignores the Rubella component and I have no antibodies for it. This has been picked up during pregnancy blood tests and then during routine blood tests since.

Herd immunity stops me from catching Rubella but once it starts circulating in the general population in at risk. I'm not having any more babies so the risks of contracting Rubella are all to myself. These risks include brain inflammation, bleeding problems, and arthritis. I already have a condition that increases my risk of arthritic changes to my joints so want to avoid anything that increased that further.

If you don't want to vaccinate then that's fine but you shouldn't be able to access public services in order to protect the general population from your stupidity.

my DC are at zero risk for complications from these ilnesses

Many parents who thought thr same have regretted thinking the same.
Your children do not have zero risk of catching these diseases. Poor kids.

many scientists believe cellular immunity is far more important..something that isn’t even measured or understood in relation to vaccines

Did you miss one of my earlier posts? It depends on the disease.

I didn’t say they had zero risk of developing it... I said they had zero risk of complications ... the same kind of risk you consider your children are at from vaccines .. I beg to differ

Oh it depends on the disease does it.... the fact is so little is about cell mediated immunity that it is impossible to say that. Individuals who are completely unable to produce anti bodies recover just as well, and sometimes better than those who can

Lweji the way you pile on anyone who questions vaccines, or the current schedule is why hardly anyone who differs in opinion posts on these threads. Do you really think you will change anyone’s mind when you’re so vile and sarcastic

So 3000-4500 severe reactions a year, still not dead (compared to childhood diseases where complications include a high likelihood of death) and out of millions vaccinated. A very low risk then? Certainly a lower risk than the disease itself so if you're going on probabilities not vaccinating is the most risky action and leads to a higher chance of infant mortality.

If your issue with vaccines is 'toxins' then please note the levels of these 'toxins' in vaccines is lower than what your child will have naturally occuring in their own bloodstream, as they are used in cellular processes. It is also massively lower than what you will find naturally occurring in fruit and vegetables.

@Cathmidston yes, he's really ill despite it being milder than someone who hasn't had the MMR.

Thank god he had it was my point, if this is a milder version.

I'd be really gutted if I had ignorantly not had him immunised and it was even worse for him than it is now

MumpsFFS maybe if he’d been allowed to develop it naturally he would have it it before puberty when it was a much milder illness

Rainbowjellies physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs/

differs in opinion

An opinion which is not supported by scientific fact and which the WHO considers to be one of the biggest threats to global health, therefore it is a dangerous opinion that is rightly treated with derision.

maybe if he’d been allowed to develop it naturally he would have it it before puberty when it was a much milder illness

Maybe if idiots vaccinated their kids instead of listening to internet "facts"...

Oh and a perfect example of ‘herd immunity’ at work.. 100% vaccination, most sick with the mumps
www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-ship-has-been-quarantined-for-2-months-due-to-virus-outbreak-2019-3?fbclid=IwAR1XvaAtnbhkeJ4YOPmJGaHHAUItGdoqnQchDiQneIyDYSuyTGoDy-nJC6w&r=US&IR=T

The thing about vaccine reactions is that any adverse event that happens near a vaccine is reported "in case". My DS developed the blood disorder itp a week after his flu vaccine. It had to be reported as an adverse reaction, but the doctors said it was far more likely to have been caused by the virus he had immediately before.

An opinion which is not supported by scientific fact and which the WHO considers to be one of the biggest threats to global health, therefore it is a dangerous opinion that is rightly treated with derision

Biggest threat to global profits more like

Cath those sailors had parotitis which is a disease similar to mumps.

Scarlet fever looks similar to measles, is it a failure of the measles vaccine if my DD gets Scarlet fever?

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck.. it is a duck
Identical to mumps... just rediagnosed because of the obvious issue of everyone having had their vaccines

Scarlet fever does not look like measles

The article linked says they will be receiving an MMR vaccine not that they've all had it.

Acute viral parotitis (mumps): The most common viral cause of parotitis is mumps. ... A viral infection caused by Paramyxovirus, a single-stranded RNA virus. Common symptoms include fever, headache and bilateral or unilateral parotitis (swelling of the parotid gland on one or both sides of the face).

According to Wikipedia

Nope they have all had it already... it’s a requirement of the US military

I love when you post links to completely non biased sites hahaha. That site can't show the measles vaccine doing anything really and says 'can't say it's any safer than measles' yet measles was one of (and still is) the leading causes of infant mortality but vaccinated children don't seem to be dropping like flies? Or dying at pre-vaccine levels? If it was as dangerous as measles we would be seeing a lot more dead children, but we don't because it's safe.

Also vaccines don't make the pharma companies any money, they couldn't care less. If anything they would rather you didn't vaccinate as sick children make far much more money, so if that's your worry you're probably helping them out.