AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

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Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

The thing about the anti-vaxx groups and "the truth about vaccines" is that it's all bunkum and absolutely every 'True Fact™' they spout can easily be disproven using links to actual scientific research.

When I make medical decisions for my family I choose to listen to actual experts and peer reviewed evidence rather VaxxTruthWarRi0r467 from the internet rabbit hole.

Just going to leave this here

And also this because, science.

Vinylsamso it’s pointless anyway... any links that question vaccines are unreliable, written by quacks, or from ‘rabid anti vax ’ sites... if they’re peer reviewed or written by MDs then they will find a link to some vile site discrediting them...
You have to understand ony pharmaceuticals funded research is correct x

You’re just trying to be clever.

Right, so asking for evidence from a pro-plaguer who says she bases her opposition to vaccination on, erm, evidence, is “just trying to be clever”?

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I can’t vaccinate my youngest (yet) due to epilepsy but my eldest two are fully vaccinated. I find it infuriating when I find out people aren’t vaccinated. My kid might not ever be able to have theirs and so has to be protected by herd immunity of everybody else having theirs done - then there’s utter nobs who won’t have it done because of the crap they read online. Even the anti-vax sites don’t back up their point of views with facts, it’s just a lot of opinion

This is quite a good summary
learninggnm.com/SBS/documents/Vaccines_Peek_beneath_the_hood.pdf

A bit off topic, but I thought this was an interesting article on how to reduce vaccine hesitancy.

There’s a Proven Public Health Strategy We Could Use to Encourage Vaccination

A different view

My personal belief atm is that autism is something to do with gut micro flora. I might change my mind on that though as I’m constantly reading and researching these things as it fascinates me.

Scientists are awaiting with bated breath for your final decision.

@Vinylsamso I think if any of us have in said we know something for a fact we do try to give the source as back up. Some sources stand up to scrutiny, others don’t and where they don’t reasoning is given.

Lweji’s post at 10.43 this morning says it best, and I think out of all of us she is pretty well qualified in this field. I tend to believe that there can be risks in any medication, but the reward is vastly greater. Just a guess, but do you think it’s the other way round? What about your kids being around immunocompromised people and potentially passing something on to them?

I agree with you, science is on the move all the time and can be fascinating. We try to work on is what we are told, what we read and what is the latest thinking. For whatever reason, you have found that not vaccinating is the way to go. Of course a lot of us have read the anti vax articles - Cath has supplied enough of them, but the sources are questionable at best. And when someone tries to tell me that HIV is a harmless virus etc etc, I really can’t take that person seriously.

Do you have any views on vaccine hesitancy being in The World Health Organisation’s top 20 global threats?
www.who.int/emergencies/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019

Will your kids get the HPV vaccine? I was wondering if it was all vaccines you are against, or do you take each separately and do the research? I’m not being provocative, just curious

Suzanne Humphries, discredited so often, fully embracing homeopathy and suggesting people consult homeopaths rather than doctors.

I’m not here to be pro or anti vaccinations.

Sure...

What about your kids being around immunocompromised people and potentially passing something on to them?

It’s a huge question to answer briefly but I’ll give it a shot and I mean no offence. My belief is that our modern life style leads to immunocompromise. I believe that environmental factors are the cause of chronic illness or disease. My personal view is that the last hundred years have been catastrophic for the evolution and health of humans. Yes, we are living longer but at a terrible cost of debilitating diseases and poor health. I don’t want or need you to agree but what I believe. I can’t close my eyes to that and I can’t do what I believe will be a contributing factor to more of the same thing.

I’m relation to WHO- I honestly do not read mainstream news or propaganda anymore. I have zero faith in the leaders of governments to tell us the truth about everything. After all the lies that have been exposed over the years I can’t believe anybody would.
Everyday we are told something new about what’s killing us. We all believe it because a scientist “proved it”. Then another scientist comes along and proves the other wrong. There is no FACT. Like I said, we know nothing.

HPV vaccine. Absolutely not. I have a boy but that is a vaccine I wouldn’t give in a million years.

Oh wow I understand that our modern lifestyles of things like obesity, alcohol, smoking etc contribute to ill health and shortened life, and that you shouldn’t believe all you read in the news, but you think the WHO spouts propaganda? I’m guessing then that you disbelieve things that you read on, say, the NHS website and similar when looking for information?

You seem to have decided to only trust one side of the debate for some reason if you are saying you have zero faith in our leaders - ie the decision makers. I don’t understand why you say there is no fact...of course there is. Science does not rely on someone just saying they have proven something...without showing the proof.

Btw the HPV vaccine will be given to boys aged 12-13 from September as well as girls who already get it, as it has already been shown to be effective. publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/06/18/ten-years-on-since-the-start-of-the-hpv-vaccine-programme-what-impact-is-it-having/

[[https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/14/are-urban-anti-vaccine-hotspots-putting-children-at-risk anti vaccine hotspots]

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My 18yo DS has mumps, caught from uni as the herd haven't got a high enough % vaccinated. He's really ill and had his MMRs do its apparently milder.

He's missing something very important tomorrow.

We're all seriously fucked off with the ignorant anti vaxxers.

What do you think people died of in "ye olden days" before all the modern stuff that causes illnesses? Or do you believe the multi-hundred year life spans claimed in the Bible?

My belief is that our modern life style leads to immunocompromise

What's the evidence that people used to have stronger immune systems, given that average lifespans used to be much, much shorter?

I believe that environmental factors are the cause of chronic illness or disease.

Do you not believe in the existence of viral and bacterial pathogens?

My personal view is that the last hundred years have been catastrophic for the evolution and health of humans.

You do know that evolution takes place over thousands of generations, don't you?

Yes, we are living longer but at a terrible cost of debilitating diseases and poor health.

Are you aware that in the 19th century pediatric mortality rates were around 40% and now they are well under 1%?

ourworldindata.org/child-mortality

As a nurse I find this level of misinformation on basic medical issues quite disturbing.

Once again I'm going to point out injury from vaccine (not even death!) Is over 1 in a million, DEATH (so not including life-long impacts) from measles is 1-3 in a 1000!!! Why is the so much greater chance of death from measles preferred to the minuscule chance of injury from vaccines?

Please can an non vaccinated tell me why? Or is that you don't believe the death rates for these illnesses?

My 18yo DS has mumps, caught from uni as the herd haven't got a high enough % vaccinated. He's really ill and had his MMRs do its apparently milder

So he’s ’really ill’ but it’s much milder because of the MMR
You do realise that if you believe he ‘caught it’, then he and his vaccinated mates are also capable of spreading it

Because if he hadn't had the vaccine he would be even more ill or you know dead, and the poster said there is an outbreak due to NON vaccinated students and there is not enough herd immunity from the ones that are vaccinated.

Once again I'm going to point out injury from vaccine (not even death!) Is over 1 in a million, DEATH (so not including life-long impacts) from measles is 1-3 in a 1000!!! Why is the so much greater chance of death from measles preferred to the minuscule chance of injury from vaccines?

Firstly.. do you think it’s either a case of death (one in a million you say) or perfectly fine? So there’s no adverse reactions ranging from mild to severe in between? you are living in a dream world

Secondly.. that figure is scewed from severe measles cases where either a doctor was needed or the person was hospitalised. Most measles cases were too mild to warrant anything let alone reporting.

Thirdly ... my DC are at zero risk for complications from these ilnesses so I’m fucked if I’m injecting them with a whole load of toxic shite for your benefit.

and the poster said there is an outbreak due to NON vaccinated students and there is not enough herd immunity from the ones that are vaccinated

If course it would... and from where your DS contracted it ...he’s clearly not contributing to herd immunity either despite having had the MMR!