AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

Cathmidston then when their child dies of an entirely preventable disease they bear responsibility for that too.

101AR I thought you were buggering off for the night?

Yes.. there are risks for both... the choice is thankfully still the parents choice to make in the U.K.

so say for instance your child is immunocompromised and I elect to vaccinate my child against a host of diseases they aren’t at risk for developing complications from in order to supposedly protect your child (who is infinitely more at risk from opportunistic infections), from one of these ilnesses... then my child suffers a severe reaction to the vaccine and is permanently disabled ...
what happens ...nothing ...you wouldn’t give a shit and neither would anybody else so stop with the lectures. We all do what we believe is best for our own children

Do you have info on children being ‘permanently disabled’ by a ‘severe reaction to (a) vaccine’?

There’s loads of information out there ...you just need to change your search criterion to something other than ‘vaccination is the greatest thing since sliced bread’

Those who have to deal with a potentially severely disabled vaccine damaged child are the parents...

By definition, nobody has to deal with a potentially disabled child. Only with actually disabled.

So, for actual figures, particularly by comparison with the actual disease...?

Over billion has been awarded in compensation in the American vaccine court. Given that this is an extremely hard process most damaged children would have received nothing

4 billion

Cath, how about the U.K....plus link please? Always a good idea to post the source on stats

You’re talking about risk management ie you’re saying that your children are at risk of ‘permanent disability’ from vaccinations for against certain diseases; diseases that they aren’t at risk of developing complications from.

You must have some idea of the statistics to make that the judgement that these vaccines carry a higher risk (number of those with ‘permanent disability’ after vaccination out of the total number receiving the vaccination?) than contracting these diseases (reported cases of severe complications out of number of reported infections?)

Like this from the US about vaccine compensation.

‘According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2017 over 3.4 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 6,197 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 4,250 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.’

So, 1 in a million.

www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4356027.stm

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1307095/Family-win-18-year-fight-MMR-damage-son--90-000-payout-concerns-vaccine-surfaced.html

www.hja.net/press-releases/vaccine-injury-lawyer-welcomes-common-sense-approach-injury-compensation-european-court/

Kat - I was just reading the same, there’s tables there too but take a bit of reading
www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html

This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated

It will be interesting if children who get measles and other illnesses also sue their parents.
Say... The boy who almost died from tetanus.

You must have some idea of the statistics to make that the judgement that these vaccines carry a higher risk (number of those with ‘permanent disability’ after vaccination out of the total number receiving the vaccination?) than contracting these diseases (reported cases of severe complications out of number of reported infections?)

I’ve made a judgement for my children. Who are well nourished, adored and breastfed till they were 5. I’ve had measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and whooping cough so my antibodies would have certainly afforded them protection also.

You can make your own judgment for your children, but complications from well nourished children, who aren’t living in poverty are vanishingly rare.
And yes, extreme reactions and death from vaccines are also rare, but other adverse events such as allergies, asthma, diabetes etc aren’t rare at all...

Cath’s links, not quite sure what they are trying to prove
1st one - general info about claiming compensation
2nd - article from 2005 mentioning the compensation payment
3rd- daily fail, didn’t open
4th - something from a European vaccine lawyer, saying ...what? Welcoming more claims and more money for him!

So no U.K. stats?

but other adverse events such as allergies, asthma, diabetes etc aren’t rare at all...
There is no evidence that these are vaccine reactions.
There is evidence that diabetes is bought on by viruses though, including mumps.

If we’re going annecdotal, I know two people who are deaf now because of bacterial meningitis as a baby (university housemate) and a young teen (best friend’s little sister.) They were well fed, well cared for in good health and they have a permanent disability as a result of an illness that we now vaccinate against.

I’ve made a judgement for my children. Who are well nourished, adored and breastfed till they were 5. I’ve had measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and whooping cough so my antibodies would have certainly afforded them protection also.

Impressive.

Have you ever asked yourself why you had all those diseases but not your children?

Btw, mother's antibodies don't last that long.

As breastfeeding isn't a guarantee of good health. Even until 5.

Finally, based on purely anecdotal evidence, I'd say it's not good for one person to have so many childhood diseases.

What if you had got rubella when pregnant?

Aw Cath, I genuinely thought you might be onto something there re passing on antibodies and immunity....Alas it doesn’t seem to last very long 😟
www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/how-long-do-babies-carry-their-mothers-immunity/
So we only pass on passive immunity, not the same kind that we have.

FWIW I breastfed my kids for ages too - too long really and I believed it kept them healthy, along with good food and all recommended jabs.

Serious complications reported by not vaccinating healthy humans.

1. Contagious stupidity.
2. Lifelong disability.
3. Death.

Options 2 and 3 apply to entire vulnerable population (including unborn).

You develop bacterial meningitis.. the bacteria associated with it are present on most people most of the time. It would have certainly been predisposed by a whole host of immune suppression beforehand.

How do you explain Cytokine storm killing young healthy people when they get flu ,then Cath.
2 very healthy fit young people died in my area during the bird flu outbreak

Cath you missed a bit,

I’ve made a judgement for my children and fuck anyone else who gets sick or dies because of it.

There you go fixed it for you.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9892025/

Milk contains antibodies for as long as you breastfeed

SpeaKUpXXWomen you missed my point
so say for instance your child is immunocompromised and I elect to vaccinate my child against a host of diseases they aren’t at risk for developing complications from in order to supposedly protect your child (who is infinitely more at risk from opportunistic infections), from one of these ilnesses... then my child suffers a severe reaction to the vaccine and is permanently disabled ...
what happens ...nothing ...you wouldn’t give a shit and neither would anybody else so stop with the lectures. We all do what we believe is best for our own children

But feel free to pontificate from your virtue signalling podium