AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

And there are various life style choices that help prevent heart disease, cancer and dementia.... including breast feeding guarding against childhood Leukemia... one of the actual main killers of children... so where are the campaigns to promote breastfeeding ...like this mass hysteria over mandatory vaccination

And yes, you’re correct I’m not putting my child at risk for some notion of herd immunity that has never been properly verified in vaccinated populations
10IAR Can you not read?

And yes, you’re correct I’m not putting my child at risk for some notion of herd immunity that has never been properly verified in vaccinated populations.

You are putting your child at risk of catching the disease. Which, at worse, is more horrific than any worst vaccine side effect.

What you are is lucky that you live in a country where most people vaccinate.
And not only measles, but a range of diseases.

Nobody is saying that vaccines are all we need. But vaccines are part of a programme of prevention and control that has been working well to reduce infant (and adult) mortality.
Vaccines are even more important in countries where people are more at risk of complications because of poor sanitation and nutrition.
Certainly better than to rely on mass treatment for example.

including breast feeding guarding against childhood Leukemia

Oh, dear god!!! Are you convinced that if you breastfeed your child won't get leukemia?

Today we’re talking about that can happen without vaccinations, as seen in other countries, and the global threat. Compulsory vaccines we talked about yesterday....keep up Cath 😀

so where are the campaigns to promote breastfeeding

Literally everywhere. And you have the cheek to ask if I can't read? 😂

You don't believe science, that's up to you.

But to defend your right to put others at risk is staggeringly arrogant.

Because if your child contracts a preventable disease, I'm sure you'll think fresh air and organic food will cure it.

Where there are people, who may not be ok after contact with an active preventable disease.

But who cares about them eh? It's aaaaaalll about you and your quack science.

I'd love to know Cath's kids opinions about all this in a few years.

Chances are they'll be like the other boy who got secretly vaccinated.

Lweji - not sure she ever had an argument? Not one that had any validity that is.

You are putting your child at risk of catching the disease. Which, at worse, is more horrific than any worst vaccine side effect.

You obviously aren’t very familiar with vaccine side effects... which include death and severe permanent disability

And no my children aren’t at risk from what is a mild childhood illness in most well nourished children not living in poverty

Serious complications reported by Merck in the ProQuad(MMR-V) product insert during vaccine post-marketing surveillance include6:

measles;
atypical measles;
vaccine strain varicella;
varicella-like rash;
herpes zoster;
herpes simplex;
pneumonia and respiratory infection;
pneumonitis;
bronchitis;
epididymitis;
cellulitis;
skin infection;
subacute sclerosing panencephalitis;
aseptic meningitis;
thrombocytopenia;
aplastic anemia (anemia due to the bone marrow’s inability to produce platelets, red and white blood cells);
lymphadenitis (inflammation of the lymph nodes);
anaphylaxis including related symptoms of peripheral, angioneurotic and facial emema;
agitation;
ocular palsies;
necrotizing retinitis (inflammation of the eye);
nerve deafness;
optic and retrobulbar neuritis (inflammation of the optic nerve);
Bell’s palsy (sudden but temporary weakness of one half of the face);
cerebrovascular accident (stroke);
acute disseminated encephalomyelitis;
measles inclusion body encephalitis;
transverse myelitis;
encephalopathy;
Guillain-Barré syndrome;
syncope (fainting);
tremor;
dizziness;
paraesthesia;
febrile seizure;
afebrile seizures or convulsions;
polyneuropathy (dysfunction of numerous peripheral nerves of the body);
Stevens-Johnson syndrome;
Henoch-Schönlein purpura;
acute hemorrhagic edema of infancy;
erythema multiforme;
panniculitis;
arthritis;
death

Cath, now who's trying to scaremonger???? You are surely aware that ALL medications can have side effects - the operative word being "can"

These are the side effects that one "could" get from one of the most common OTC pills:

• Agitation
• back, leg, or stomach pains
• bleeding gums
• blistering, peeling, loosening of skin
• blood in urine or stools
• bloody, black, or tarry stools
• blurred vision
• burning feeling in chest or stomach
• change in vision
• chest pain
• chills
• clay-colored stools
• coma
• confusion
• constipation
• cough or hoarseness
• dark urine
• decreased urine output
• depression
• difficulty breathing
• difficulty swallowing
• dilated neck veins
• dizziness
• dry mouth
• extreme fatigue
• fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse
• fever with or without chills
• frequent urination
• general body swelling
• general feeling of tiredness or weakness
• hair loss, thinning of hair
• headache
• hives or welts
• hostility
• impaired vision
• increased blood pressure
• increased volume of pale, dilute urine
• irregular breathing
• irritability
• itching
• joint or muscle pain
• lab results that show problems with liver
• lethargy
• light-colored stools
• loss of appetite
• lower back or side pain
• muscle twitching
• nosebleeds
• painful or difficult urination
• pains in stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
• pinpoint red spots on skin
• puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
• rash
• red skin lesions, often with a purple center
• red, irritated eyes
• redness of skin
• seizures
• severe abdominal pain, cramping, burning
• severe and continuing nausea
• sore throat
• sores, ulcers, or white spots in mouth or on lips
• stiff neck or back
• stomach upset
• stupor
• swollen or painful glands
• tenderness in stomach area
• thirst
• tightness in chest
• unpleasant breath odor
• upper right abdominal pain
• vomiting of blood
• vomiting of material that looks like coffee grounds
• wheezing
• yellow eyes and skin

(ibuprofen btw!)

hdh747 well put

HIVpos the difference is other medications aren’t mandatory! Forcing a parent to have something given to their child when there are that many possible adverse effects is barbaric

Cath
Again you show ignorance. The list doesnt mean that the vaccine caused , just they happened in a time frame after vaccination.
It also does not list the numbers who got those side effects or how they compare to the actual disease.
Do you know that the biggest cause of childhood stroke is chickenpox. My ds friend had a stroke from chicken pox when he was 6 and waa paralysed down one side

Listed in the absence of any other likely explanation and within a very short time frame... I believe it’s 14 days

If must be quite a scary position actually ..To feel you have no control over your own health and are at the mercy of any passing microbe... never mind that we would cease to function without them

that still doesnt really prove that they were caused by the vaccine and what the rates were compared to the population who hadnt been vaccinated with in the last 14 days

Ah but Cath doesn't need proof, she has lots and lots of words to make people back off and some lovely ideas that completely contradict modern medicine.

Sorry Cath I can't find your list anywhere, can you help please.

By that reasoning how can we be sure measles lead to pneumonia etc in certain cases... when we have no way of proving the pneumonia wouldn’t have happened anyway .... a circular argument I’m not endorsing btw just illustrating

www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/measles/measles-vaccine-injury-death.aspx
But it’s also on the Merck site

For anyone who has seen Kevin Bridges latest DVD, there's a section in it where the best advice is to pat someone on the shoulder and say "enjoy your night mate".

Granted it's describing dealing the drunken ramblings of a silly auld man, but I think it fits here too.

Cath, enjoy yer night mate

No separation between MMR and MMR-V. That's not particularly helpful. I have things to do but will be back.

Bloody or black, tarry stools
bloody or cloudy urine
fever with or without chills (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
pain in the lower back and/or side (severe and/or sharp)
pinpoint red spots on the skin
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
sudden decrease in the amount of urine
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual tiredness or weakness
yellow eyes or skin
Calpol.

Sertraline, the most common anti-depressant.
Anxiety; appetite abnormal; arrhythmias; arthralgia; asthenia; concentration impaired; confusion; constipation; depersonalisation; diarrhoea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; fever; gastrointestinal discomfort; haemorrhage; headache; hyperhidrosis; malaise; memory loss; menstrual cycle irregularities; myalgia; mydriasis; nausea (dose-related); palpitations; paraesthesia; QT interval prolongation; sexual dysfunction; skin reactions; sleep disorders; taste altered; tinnitus; tremor; urinary disorders; visual impairment; vomiting; weight changes; yawning

Uncommon

Alopecia; angioedema; behaviour abnormal; hallucination; mania; movement disorders; photosensitivity reaction; postural hypotension; seizure; suicidal tendencies; syncope

Rare or very rare

Galactorrhoea; hepatitis; hyperprolactinaemia; hyponatraemia; serotonin syndrome; severe cutaneous adverse reactions (SCARs); SIADH; thrombocytopenia

Frequency not known

Withdrawal syndrome
We can all find things that have associated problems, but peer reviewed evidence says quite clearly that they are rare. Ergo it's only fair to protect others by protecting yourself and your family.

Those who have to deal with a potentially severely disabled vaccine damaged child are the parents... the parents are the ones facing the consequences so it should be the parents who are allowed to weigh up the risks for their personal situation