AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

He's a homeopath. Homeopathy has been proven to be ineffective. So why should we take note of him?

Oh, and he has a vested interest in the way you complain that others do.

Very heartening to see that so many countries are insisting, with legally enforceable penalties, on vaccination for access to free schooling.

The anti-vaxxers - or ‘pro-plaguers’ as they’re becoming known - may be able to lie and mislead people online but there are always real world options to stop these dangerous fools.

For interest there has been an outbreak of measles in Madagascar where vaccination levels are low due to many being too poor to afford them. So far around 1000 people have died, mainly children, but you know 'harmless childhood disease' right?

www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/hundreds-of-kids-are-dying-in-madagascars-measles-outbreak/

Rainbow - that is so sad. Seems wrong that they get the 1st measles jab free but have to pay for the second one if they then can’t afford to pay for it.

This is the WHO 10 threats to global health 2019 which includes “vaccine hesitancy” www.who.int/emergencies/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019

This appeared on my face ache today. Seemed appropriate...

Gilead isn't it just.

What a ridiculous analogy 1/10

As for Madagascar... it has an infant mortality rate of 42 per thousand live births. Poverty, malnutrition, toxic over load from unclean water and psychological stress are endemic. This is why children are dying. And using a third world country as an example of what may happen in the UK if heaven forbid people stop vaccinating is quite frankly preposterous

Children aren't dying of measles because of malnutrition, or poverty or any of the other reasons you give. Children are dying of measles because they weren't protected against measles.

You clearly have no idea how disease works

You clearly have no idea how disease works

I think (!) that there's a good indication of what would happen in the UK if the vaccine was stopped by what happened when the coverage dropped compared to the highest coverage.

I don’t think Madagascar was meant as a comparison as such. I’ve been reading about it and it seems that lack of vaccinations due to poverty is just one reason among many why there are so many infant deaths there.

Sorry, it’s in French but you get the idea, and what UNICEF is working towards... www.unicef.org/madagascar/programme/santé

It does however make me feel so grateful that here we ready access to free vaccinations for ourselves and our families

Prior to 2006, the last death from acute measles was in 1992. In 2006, there was 1 measles death in a 13-year-old male who had an underlying lung condition and was taking immunosuppressive drugs. Another death in 2008 was also due to acute measles in an unvaccinated child with a congenital immunodeficiency, whose condition did not require treatment with immunoglobulin. In 2013, 1 death was reported in a 25-year-old man following acute pneumonia as a complication of measles. In 2016, one death was reported in a 10-month-old infant who suffered complications due to a secondary infection.

Compared to the amount of deaths from cancer, asthma and various other chronic or acute conditions

Compared to the amount of deaths from cancer, asthma and various other chronic or acute conditions

And...? Nobody said measles was like cancer.

The UK didn't stop vaccination. But pockets with low vaccine coverage did have outbreaks. Death is not the only negative outcome of having measles, as previously pointed out.
Even those deaths from susceptible people could have been prevented by herd immunity. They didn't have to catch measles.

Actually this article from yesterday makes for pretty grim reading, especially when it could be prevented. I hadn’t realised just how bad it was www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/03/12/697928724/measles-is-spiking-around-the-globe-how-worried-should-we-be?t=1552489881962

And... clearly measles isn’t the health issue in this country ....yet people like you are jumping up and down for mandatory vaccination ...all that energy, propaganda and scare mongering ..yet ignoring the real ilnesses that are actually killing people...

What a ridiculous analogy 1/10 I rather think you missed the point, dear.

In 2013, 1 death was reported in a 25-year-old man following acute pneumonia as a complication of measles That would be a measles death then.

What your hastily grabbed figures (albeit government figures) don't state is those that survived measles with severe complications. My sisters poor eyesight for example.

Final point. I think you'll find you are the propagandist on this thread...

Propaganda definition....information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

Scaremongering...the spreading of frightening or ominous reports or rumours..

Nope, not so sure about you but most of us deal in cold hard facts and proper up-to-date peer reviewed science

Luckily, due (as already mentioned) to us being lucky enough in this country to have access to vaccinations it might not be so much of a problem...but it could be like other countries if anti vaxxers had their way. Not vaccinating is of course just one of many reasons people fall poorly and possible die, and something we can remedy.

Cancers remain the most common cause of death for children aged 1 to 15 years, accounting for 20.6% of deaths in 2016
Around 6,000 children and young people die a year in the UK. Over two-thirds of these are aged under five, and the majority are under the age of one.
0.15% from so called vaccine preventable diseases where well over half were vaccinated

Oh so only 9 children died of preventable diseases?

Oh well that's okay then isn't it?

Said fucking nobody, ever.

9 children, by your own admission, dying of diseases easily preventable by vaccines and herd immunity, and you think that's a point in your favour?

yet ignoring the real ilnesses that are actually killing people...

ARGH because at the moment, there isn't a vaccine against cancer or heart disease or dementia, BUT there IS a vaccine against measles. Deaths and other horrible side effects from measles ARE preventable. Why on earth would you want people to suffer when they don't have to? And as we've discussed before on this thread, it's not just about you and your family being ok, it's about herd immunity and helping keep people safe from these diseases who don't have the apparently robust immune system that you do.

Does it not occur to you, that if perhaps we weren't wasting valuable resources treating people with preventable diseases, we could be directing some more resources to finding cures for the others that you might or might not believe in?

Because some of the side effects of vaccines are horrific, including death. This is not a procedure without risk. So to concentrate on forcing people to vaccinate against diseases which are statistically negligible and in which any mortality will be associated with numerous co factors, is ridiculous.

And yes, you’re correct I’m not putting my child at risk for some notion of herd immunity that has never been properly verified in vaccinated populations.

And... clearly measles isn’t the health issue in this country ....yet people like you are jumping up and down for mandatory vaccination ...all that energy, propaganda and scare mongering ..yet ignoring the real ilnesses that are actually killing people...

Have you run out of actual arguments?

And yes, you’re correct I’m not putting my child at risk

Fine, but at least acknowledge you're putting other people's children at risk by doing it!

ARGH because at the moment, there isn't a vaccine against cancer

Actually, there is one against HPV. But it doesn't cause any cancer. It's all to do with nutrition.