AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

How do you know?

The author of that book - Neil Z Miller - is not only a prominent anti-vaxxer, he also believes he can talk to extra-terrestrial beings and so can his daughter as she's been doing so for several lifetimes now.

Forgive me if I don't rush out to order a copy.

@NCMC sorry someone may already have said this too you but you do know all the possible effects of Measles don't you. Dying is at one end of the spectrum, but it can cause deafness, blindness and brain damage also, as those disabilities not horrific enough fod you?!?

How sad that autistic toddlers lining up toys is seen as such a frightening omen

I think I’ll pass on the book written by someone who makes their living off anti vaccination propaganda. Even though his Amazon bio mentions his degree in psychology and his Mensa membership. Seriously.

A little more on Mr Miller

But just think up how quickly he can pick which shape is the odd one out ...

How sad ....All these various blogs set up to destroy anyone with a different opinion

The thing is though Ewits it doesn't account for all those that haven't reported adverse MMR reactions - I certainly didn't and certainly didn't make any link between my ds's immediate physical reaction and his ASD diagnosis.

And years later when I did consider the possibility I didn't want to think it could be true. Even more years later I've finally mentioned it and it will be the last time, too controversial, too close to home and after all I am pro-vax and don't want to add fuel to the anti-vax fire....but maybe, maybe the vaccinations could be improved.

Measles is terrible - I had it when I was 3 and will never forget my parent's relief when I finally left my bed - I can even remember what I was wearing, the room they were in. I'm 56 now.

Spouting factually incorrect nonsense and trying to pass it off as true isn't the same thing as an opinion, it's dangerous bullshit.

With all of the research and studies carried out, if there was a link they would have found it already. Instead all of the evidence shows there is no link, they cannot find a link, ergo a link does not exist.

Placrmarking as an interested HCP involved in HIV treatment, no time to read the whole thread which appears somewhat derailed.
However, my youngest childten have reveived the single measles vaccine as my eldest two has horrific reactions to the MMR resulting in hospital treatment.
We need to stop conflating anti vax with pro single vax, they are two separate positions within this debate.

‘factually incorrect nonsense‘ according to you Etwits

HateIsNotGood... it’s generally recognised that vaccine adverse reactions are hugely underreported x

it’s generally recognised that vaccine adverse reactions are hugely underreported

Have you got a good quality source for that, Cathmidston?

I don’t believe in germ theory though
Wait, what? So you believe in... miasma theory?

The blog I linked is dedicated to ‘critically examining claims made in medical science, analyzing scientific studies in the news (and) refuting pseudoscientific claims made by quacks, cranks, and antivaxers’

It was not set up to target any individual. Not even one who, as your helpful link to his book shows, makes his money peddling deliberately distorted science to push his anti vaccine agenda to parents who are genuinely concerned about their children and vulnerable to his fear mongering.

at the ready

‘factually incorrect nonsense‘ according to you Etwits

According to me and science.

@SchnitzelVonCrum
Have you even read my posts?
I’ve stated time & time again I don’t believe in the link & I am not an anti-vaxxer. My point was (& I think I made it quite clear which is why I stopped posting)
The comparison between death (or any other disability as a result of measles for that matter) and Autism is not okay!
Severe Autism is an awful disability which robs children of their ability to communicate, self care, live independently, have any kind of quality of life & induces horrible self harm.
Resulting in parents having to watch their child struggle & suffer everyday.
To disregard this & is ridiculously insensitive, ignorant & offensive.

Ewits are you directing your comments at me and possibly other parents that haven't been involved in the published research studies to date? if so, you are a near perfect illustration of why not many parents of dc will report or even dare mention it.

How many data sets were extrapolated from? How much qualiative data was amassed and included. And, most importantly, in the wake of Wakefield, who was going to fund any research that might possibly come up with a result that might lend some support to Wakefield's original hypothesis?

Bloo Shampoo.... yawn
I believe that the terrain is important...the state of the organism ...look it up.... Béchamp ...I can’t be arsed to explain for the umpteenth time to someone who is so entrenched in their dogmatic view of the world that they find it impossible to consider a different view.

Philomena this is just one.. there are many ... 🙄www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/02/underreporting-vaccine-adverse-events

Vaccine reactions are hugely specifically under reported.

There is no onus upon pharma companies to report the specifics of adverse reactions if they are deemed sufficiently rare and are therefore 'sufficiently unlikely to be reproducable within the intended population'

I work in pharma. Anybody else who also does will verify my last statement.

Oh, I’m more than willing to consider different views. Unfortunately, people might consider your views until they’re blue (bloo ) in the face and remain unconvinced

Ewits are you directing your comments at me and possibly other parents that haven't been involved in the published research studies to date? if so, you are a near perfect illustration of why not many parents of dc will report or even dare mention it.

I am not to blame for parents not reporting adverse reactions and I don't decide who is or isn't involved in research studies. I'm simply stating the evidence as it stands, including a very large study published this week that looked at over 600,000 children, and that evidence repeatedly states there is no link between MMR and autism.

Philomena this is just one.. there are many ... 🙄www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/02/underreporting-vaccine-adverse-events

That's a response to a BMJ article, Cathmidston, not an article itself, and it doesn't cite its sources. So, again, do you have a good quality source for the claim that vaccine reactions are accepted to be unreported? Heavy emphasis on the good quality here.

And, most importantly, in the wake of Wakefield, who was going to fund any research that might possibly come up with a result that might lend some support to Wakefield's original hypothesis?

An anti-vaxx group funded one such study. It found no link. They were not happy.

www.accountablescience.com/anti-vaxxer-funded-study-finds-no-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/