AIBU to remind everyone that the MMR vaccine does NOT cause autism?

[TheHodgeoftheHedge]

Seeing as this worry comes up so many times on MN and in wider life, I feel obliged to post this and remind everyone that MMR has not link to autism whatsoever, as yet another HUGE study has found.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-antivax-measles-study-andrew-wakefield-a8808086.html

Thanks.

Today 08:20 Cathmidston

You’re referring to germ theory lol
Works for me and my DC... fit healthy, no meds and we don’t stay away from sick people yet we don’t ever seem to catch anything hmm“

You are unvaccinated and you don’t stay away from sick people? Do you stay away from pregnant women (assuming your germ theory means you are informed about gestation periods?).

There are no words.

good sanitation and clean water HELP keep germs away.

There. Fixed.

Did you offer her a posy to keep away miasmas?

True Lweji

Cath never got diarrhea or a cold? Sure...

@Cherylshaw, because its stupidly glib. parents of autistic children take their lives from the strain, i've seen it happen. it might be an easy choice for you, but to say you don't understand why people might see it differently means you are ignorant to the stress living with autism can cause.

“Lweji

Cath never got diarrhea or a cold? Sure.”

Can’t you read? She and her children are perfectly fit and healthy! That’s what matters

F**k everyone else, pregnant women contracting rubella isn’t their problem. Get with the programme. Didn’t you hear, there’s no such thing as society.

Lweji hi... I did answer that.. and no someone’s HIV status would make no difference to me ... I don’t believe in the HIV causes AIDS hypothesis and neither do a number of leading researchers and scientists including Kary Mullins Nobel laureate who invented the PCR test
If you’re interested watch this along with the various extended interviews with all involved

This piece on AZT is also illuminating paganpressbooks.com/jpl/POISON.PDF

But I won't say that the parent who was (is?) on here who had absolute evidence of developmental regression and subsequent ASD dx within days of the MMR vaccination was 'wrong' to link them in her specific case - how could I be so arrogant??

I feel very well placed to comment here, since my sons both have ASD, and one contracted a vaccine preventable illness as a baby that nearly killed him.

My twins both had a regression - one was major and literally overnight, the other was more gradual and took time to notice.

They were six and eight months after their 12 month vaccinations, approximately. If the overnight regression happened shortly after the vaccination I can understand why you would link the two - that doesn’t mean they are linked, however. If a child with ASD regresses this usually happens in the 12-20 month range so for many children this would happen not long after mmr - this is also seen in children who are not vaccinated. The biggest predictor of a child having ASD is not having vaccinations, but having an older sibling with ASD.

One of my twins almost died at birth. He was then diagnosed with a very rare illness that meant two months in nicu. Just before discharge he contracted pertussis, he came home a few days before his jabs already showing mild symptoms and within a week was admitted to HDU. Had the symptoms appeared a few days later some would blame it on their 8 week jabs, but he was already ill by then. I watched him fight for every breath for two weeks and watched him have coughing fits that literally lasted an hour. They essentially had to starve him so his lungs had room to work. He came home at 11 weeks old and 5lb.

Frankly, fuck those people who suggest that my son would have been better off dying from pertussis at two months old than living with ASD. Yes, he’s quite severely affected, both of them are non verbal and struggle with many things, but they are happy and affectionate and always smiling - their quality of life at this stage is great. I don’t know what the future holds, probably lots of very difficult things which scares me witless, but I am so grateful they are alive because on multiple occasions it’s been very possible he could have died. He has four different diagnoses, and he is bloody brilliant. Some of the dehumanising comments here make me sick.

You're either insane, or you're doing this because you think it's funny. Either way, I'm out.

You cannot reason with stupid.

No there is no link whatsoever.

It was just pure coincidence that my happy smiley baby began to drift away from me following the vaccine and now at the age of 20 years is pacing up and down shaking a baby's rattle while babbling like a baby in the tones of a grown man.

Actually some traditional remedies do work well

To quote Tim Minchin:
“Do you know what they call alternative medicine that’s been proven to work?

Medicine.”

TheInvestigator: sincerely hope it’s the former.

Delighted to receive notice from MN about cathmidston’s post(?) being deleted. This person is either deluded or extremely dangerous, or both.
Common sense at last.

@OwlBeThere
We are all entitled to think how we do as a parent of a child with autism I do know how difficult it can be, that said I would rather have him just the way he is than dead due to my neglect.
And personality I can't see how people would see it differently 🤷

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no someone’s HIV status would make no difference to me ...

Easy to say. I'd love to see you faced with a mugger with a blood dirty syringe.

In fact, I could arrange for you to have a cocktail of different bacteria, viruses and parasites so that you could test the germ vaccine yourself.

By the way, why do you think HAART, with drugs that target specific HIV enzymes and proteins, has reduced the number of people who develop aids among those infected with HIV? Coincidence?

cathmidson Kary Mullis believes in aliens too and is well known conspiracy theorist

It's interesting that most of the perspectives on here aren't from autistic people.

Suicide rates for autistic children without a learning disablity are 28 times higher than NT children, and autistic adults without a learning disablity is 9 times higher.

Societal attitudes and treatment of autistic people is appalling, as proven by some on this thread.

A timely reminder that MN hasn't changed at all with regards to flagrant disablism or the maligning of disabled people.

Lweji I’ll have a debate with you if you watch that documentary/and come back to me... until then it’s a bit pointless. I don’t mean that in a nasty way, as on other threads (with a different user name for me) I think you’re lovely, just that we are coming from totally different standpoints. I’m familiar with yours, youre not so familiar with mine.

But in answer to your question, less people are dying of aids because AZT is no longer used as a treatment. AZT which will almost certainly cause death from a breakdown in the immune system and bone marrow....
the people still dying from Aids are in the high risk groups for autoimmunity issues...like drug users etc

Lweji: you wouldn’t scare me with your threats of bloody syringes. I have many glasses of water.

What things do you & school do to meet your ds needs?

He has various pieces of equipment. He's got mobilus physiotherapy putty, it's like Playdoh but strengthened to provide different tensions, he uses it to build hand strength and also as a fiddle toy. He's got a textured silicone chew on his lanyard that he can put his mouth so he doesn't eat his clothes. Textured grips on his pens so he can feel that he's holding them and where. A textured wobble cushion on his chair. Tensor bands around his chair legs for him to push his legs and feet against as well as one tied to the table leg at one end and hanging loose at the other so he can pull on it when needed. He has a two minute movement break every 30 minutes.

As well as that he sits in the same seat in each lesson as far as possible. Any known changes to his timetable (e.g., someone coming in to give a talk in the hall instead of art or a different teacher providing cover on a specific day) are written in his homework diary so he's aware that a particular day will be different to usual. A named member of staff checks in with him twice a day to ask if he is okay, does he need any help with anything, and is anything bothering him. He has a toilet pass so can go whenever he wants, most of the time he doesn't even go for the loo he just wants a few minutes out of the classroom environment. His teacher keeps a spare copy of his locker key because he loses it at least once a week.

It's not perfect and we do have issues with some areas or new problems crop up that stump us all but school are keen to help get the balance right which helps. We're in the process of applying for an EHCP and they're gathering the evidence for it at the moment so hopefully it'll be a smooth process with school backing the application. He needs a 1-2-1 but we need funding for it, he also needs sometimes able adjustments that we're hashing out at the moment, and various additional support work around wider issues such as anger management, bodily autonomy, confidence, anxiety, low self-esteem, etc. and he needs ongoing physiotherapy to help build his core strength and scaffold his hypermobile joints.

He's in a far better position now than he was with his old school who didn't give a shit.

On a slightly different note, does anyone know why they choose 8,12 and 16 weeks for the baby vaccinations? I remember reading that babies don't fully produce their own antibodies until around 6 months, so surely these vaccines are less likely to be effective?

We vaccinate in the fastest way, to reach the majority of the population. Babies need several doses to be protected precisely because their immune systems are immature and they don't produce long term immunity without several doses. There is an argument that you can vaccinate later more effectively (not all vaccines, people really don't understand and lump all vaccines in as one equal being, they are not - some are better than others in how effective they are!)

However we vaccinate babies because they are the most vulnerable (usually)... yes we might have longer protection from less doses if we delay, but if it's a disease which babies are the highest risk group at both contracting/becoming disabled/dying from ... its no good waiting till the child is past the greatest stage of risk in their lives to vaccinate them.

Personally I disagree with some of the NHS schedule on a private basis but if my job was to protect the most people, for the best price, I would be in agreement with most of it.

Lweji: you wouldn’t scare me with your threats of bloody syringes. I have many glasses of water.

Surprisingly funny

Listen to “this podcast will kill you” they have just done an episode on measles, it’s brilliant!
If you do contract measles and survive it the measles virus wipes out your immune systems memory! Leaving your unvaccinated child a risk of dying of other diseases. Or having to build their immune system from scratch again!
I didn’t know this!