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AIBU not to pay for my 16 year olds holiday when I didn't agree to it?

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 03/03/2019 18:08

I'm so cross and disappointed with this. My 16 year old DS has had a girlfriend for a few months. She's a lovely person, and the relationship has progressed sensibly. Up until now I haven't spoken to her parents as there was no real need to.
However, something seperate occured today, which prompted me to speak with them. As an aside they mentioned that My DS was going on holiday with them. It's booked and paid for and he has said he is paying them back. I asked how much it was for, and was told £600.

Now, my DS had mentioned about a holiday with her few weeks ago, but no more details were given. I asked him to find out more information and let me know. I did say to DS it was unlikely and I absolutely wouldn't be able to pay.

So he has gone agaisnt what I said, and the mum has told me it has been booked. No discussion with me prior. She has just taken the word of 16 year old DS.

I am in no way able to pay for or contribute to this holiday. DS has a job, he earns min wage for 16 year olds which is £4.20 ph. It will take him working 150 hours just to pay off a holiday that (let's face it, teenagers aren't the most reliable of relationship keepers) he may not even end up going on. He is at college, so his working hours are limited. It's 0 hours, and he takes what he can get which can be 0 or 12 hours a week.

I can't see how he can pay for it. I can't pay for it. AIBU to wash my hands of it and say it's between DS and the girlfriends mum to deal with?

As an aside note, he has a holiday with us and extended family booked 2 weeks later paid for by my dad, so there is no lack of holiday going on.

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Walkingdeadfangirl · 04/03/2019 18:37

Why does he need driving lessons how will he afford to buy, insure and run a car? He can work extra hours/jobs in the school holidays, sell any phones or gaming consoles he has, but it is his expense.

Tell the other family they can cancel his ticket if they want as you wont be paying for it. Ultimately its his responsibility so you dont need to worry about it, best he learns now what the consequences of running up debts are.

caughtinanet · 04/03/2019 18:44

Why does he need driving lessons how will he afford to buy, insure and run a car?

I, my siblings and my friends all started driving lessons on our 17th birthdays even though it was many years until we had our own cars, that's pretty normal isn't it, insured on the parents car for occassional driving and lift giving is pretty standard ime

BunnyColvin · 04/03/2019 18:47

Disrespectful DS. Disrespectful other parent.

You need to get on to the other mum and say something along the lines of 'Really sorry but unfortunately I'm trapped in a complete misunderstanding completely outside my control. Apologies but I'm not able to pay for this holiday, as I've already paid for our own holiday, and neither is DS. Is there any chance you could get a refund or get someone else to go instead of him?'

Aragog · 04/03/2019 18:49

In the 60s 70s and 80s we treated a 16 year old as an adult, now we treat a 16 you are old like a 5 year old. There is only two years between being 16 and 18.

I was 16 in the 80s. None of us, where we lived, were treated as adults. We were still at school, still dependent on parents bar a bit of pin money from the odd Saturday job, still expected to tell parents where and when we were of an evening. None of the people my age were treated like proper grown ups when they were still at school.
Heck, not really until after university, in jobs and financially dependent!

My mum was 16y in the 60s - she was treated as an adult either. Also still at school, living at home, dependent on parents. Not really til she left home to get married and have a child at 18y - and tbh I don't think my grandparents would have necessarily chosen that route at that age even then.

My dad, same age as my mum, probably was more so but that's more because he was in a large family and had to leave work at 15y in order to get a job to help pay his way. It was more necessity than desire though.

Tinkobell · 04/03/2019 18:50

Sounds to me that he's given the green light to GF's mum thinking that he'll either bounce you into making the payment or it'll perhaps kind of sort itself out by magic. I'd just say NO, sorry, told you we couldn't afford and tell the mum to cancel his seat. He'll probably request an IOU from you OP in lieu of him giving you his job earnings until the holiday debt is paid. As you say, at this age they could well bust up before the summer anyway....,money down the pan.

Mumoflove · 04/03/2019 18:58

Sorry you are in this situation. It’s stressful!! I think you do well not to assume the responsibility of the cost of the trip, this would set a precedent of expectation for future girlfriend expenses. I would talk to the mum and explain that you are not in that financial position but that it’s a nice gesture on her part and really, isn’t it nice that the mum approves of him and is ready to take the responsibility of a minor away, etc etc. Talk to your son and explain your concerns in a calm way, be on his side and support his final decision because at this age they need us as much as when they were two! All the best and stay calm, your son sounds like a sensible teenager at college, working and a steady girlfriend, you must be doing a good job.

ALargeGinPlease · 04/03/2019 20:02

I would talk to DS again to find out whether he does have a plan to pay for it, and if not, then I would give him the choice of what he would like me to do:
A) stay out of it - he takes full responsibility
B) I speak to the mum and explain neither I nor ds can afford it and it should be cancelled/ offered to someone else.

BenjiB · 04/03/2019 20:08

I’d be more furious another parent has booked to take your child on holiday without consulting you first!

PiebaldHamster · 04/03/2019 20:28

I'd make it abundantly clear to the other parent that you cannot pay for any of it and as you were not consulted, it's not a debt. As for your son, well, I'd tell him there go your driving lessons. Tough shit. I'd be fucking raging and yes, I have teens.

Catsinthecupboard · 04/03/2019 20:41

@LucilleBluth. Amen! ...completely agree...be happy it's 2 ds. Dd adds drama and hormones to the mix. Wine

Lollypop701 · 04/03/2019 20:56

Tell his dad, who appears to have given permission, to sort it out. Give gf parents his number and tell them you were completely unaware, you cannot pay for anything at all and leave them to it. Literally leave them to it. Everyone in this situation has to learn about consequences, except you as you were not consulted. I say this and I could pay for my dc at a push, but I wouldn’t

FollowYourOwnNorthStar · 04/03/2019 21:00

Great advice by ALargeGinPlease

Walkingdeadfangirl · 04/03/2019 21:02

my siblings and my friends all started driving lessons on our 17th birthdays even though it was many years until we had our own cars, that's pretty normal isn't it

Well in 2019 if you can afford your insurance to go up by a few thousand pounds then maybe it is normal. Back in the real world its not quite that normal.

MummyofTw0 · 04/03/2019 21:11

Well if ex husband was aware, he can take responsibility

Pass his contact details over to the other parents

ThisMustBeMyDream · 04/03/2019 22:47

An update: DS spoke to me late last night. He tells me his dad has given him £100 for his birthday and returned the clothes he bought him (super helpful when he actually needs a few new clothes). His grandparents from his dads side, who are amongst the poorest pensioners I've known, have given him £200 (given for his entire life they have given him £10 at birthday and christmas, this is an interesting revelation). He has budgeted £70 a month to pay back after that.
He doesn't know how he will manage to pay for lessons, or any of the other things his wages should be going towards (plan was save half, spend half on driving lessons and any gig tickets or expensive clothing he wants).
He hasn't even got any hours this week as no shifts are going.
He now reckons he will be finished college in May as he has finished all his course work, and the other kids will only be going to do their maths/english gcse resits, which he doesn't as he passed them.
He thinks he can find another job.

Me? I think he's unrealistic, and telling some untruths. But what can I realistically do? He thinks he has a plan. I think his plan is shoddily built. But you try telling a 16 year old that!

His driving lessons are important. He is studying engineering. He is unlikely to go down the uni route, therefore meaning driving is an even bigger life skill to give him work opportunities. I've worked hard to set up the opportunity for him to drive, got a car arranged and insurance for the first year covered by a savings policy that matures next year. I don't want him to blow that opportunity for a bloody holiday in Benidorm Hmm.

I will speak to the other parent later this week, to ask a list of questions ie. Hotel and flight details, room arrangements, cancellation arrangements. I will also be telling her that DS will pay it to her at the start of the holiday (as I would worry he pays it and then doesn't go for some reason out of hia control, and I can't let.him throw the money away).

Someone asked why I haven't spoken to them before - I've had no need to. Relationship has bobbed along nicely, she comes over once or twice a week, he walks her back home around 8pm.
The reason I contacted them was because I found her in his bed on sunday morning. I assumed he had snuck her in against my express wishes (he asked the day before if she can sleep over on his birthday, but I have said no as I have 2 young kids, one with additional needs who doesn't sleep. Night guests aren't welcome for the unsettling nature for my other child). As it was, it turned out he had let her in at 9am and not told anyone. Confirmed by the friends mum who she had stayed at the previous night. Anyway, this is how the holiday conversation came about. The mum also told me that when my son had stayed at hers, she had made sure he was on the sofa.
Now, this was news to me. DS doesn't stay out often, but he has never asked to stay out at hers (he does ask if he can stay out, although I've never told him he needs to). Regardless of how you feel about 16 year olds staying at their boyfriend or girlfriends, at 16 I would not assume the other parents would be happy with those arrangements. So again, she has permitted my DS to stay over without knowing that I am happy with that level of trust. As it is, I am mostly okay with it. But she made that assumption. I would always check the girlfriend/boyfriends parents knew and were okay with it.

So basically, I now feel like she is making
decisions and having parental input in my DS's life, with no regard for his actual parents. I just wouldn't do that!

And yes, I was a 16 year old who left home too, pregnant (with him!). I'm well aware of the predicaments of being 16/17. Not a child. Not an adult. My mum gave up on me. I don't want to be like that. I want to help him make good choices in his life where I can.

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 04/03/2019 22:50

I should also add, the reason I contacted them was so they knew she had stayed here, and that it hadn't been done with my knowledge, but as a parent I felt they should know (she is still at school, although 16).

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mummmy2017 · 04/03/2019 23:05

Please go and buy insurance now for the trip, it won't cost much, but will mean he has all the cover he needs.
If you use one company they give him free cinema or meals, so will pay for itself in no time.

BlueJag · 04/03/2019 23:15

Very naughty all round. He never asked permission to go and you have to be an idiot to book a holiday without talking to a parent.
I'll be very clear with him that he first needs to ask if he can go and then ask him how he is planning to pay?
Very foolish not to check.

Smelborp99 · 04/03/2019 23:43

I’m glad you won’t let him pay until the trip. Seriously irresponsible of the other parents to book without checking with you. If they aren’t dating by then, the parents should have the loss. I’d make it very clear to them now that’s the case too.

Bignosenobum · 05/03/2019 00:08

You need to explain your finances to him. Don't criticise anyone just talk to him, he may admit that he has acted foolishly. Also if he is determind to go help him budget so he can see how little he has. Then tell the girl's parents you cannot afford one penny and neither can he. It is their mess let them sort it. Tell them that you dont have the money and they will not get their money back.

Bignosenobum · 05/03/2019 00:12

Your sonis selfish. You are a lovely hard working person and he sounds like a spoilt brat. He needs to learn the hard way. To value money.

AlexaAmbidextra · 05/03/2019 00:50

Please go and buy insurance now for the trip, it won't cost much, but will mean he has all the cover he needs.

And how is this going to help the situation?

Dalamane · 05/03/2019 01:07

Well done you for sticking to your guns and standing up for yourself against all odds. Sounds like he's been sneaky about a few things, maybe with the help of his father and somehow father has ensured he has half the money, the grandparents contributing £200 sounds a bit far fetched, i suspect dad's given him the £300 and maybe suggested to your son that you'd pay the other half as a gift or that son pays you back. Either way, son, father, girlfriend's parents should have made sure you were happy about everything first - you're the parent with care and the one responsible for decisions affecting him. He's not daft by any means is he, has his dad been letting him stay out instead of sleeping at his house or has he just slept at girlfriend's thinking you wouldn't mind?

I hate it when other parents make plans for or with my daughter that i know nothing about, it's common courtesy to say the least - I would never plan to take anyone's child anywhere without first asking the other parent, it's rude. It's also not nice when other families throw their money around, generous or otherwise and think that they have a right to your child without talking to you first.

Good luck x

CheshireChat · 05/03/2019 02:31

It really doesn't sound like the OP can afford the insurance on top of everything, particularly if she's down by £100/ month.

His dad however can get right to it as he's the one to say it's ok.

2birds1stone · 05/03/2019 06:20

I don't think it's unusual for 16 year olds to sleep at each other's. When I was 16 my bf was in a different city (2 hours away) but I had close family member there and I would often go down and stay.. but I was also in full time employment and paid for my train etc myself.

Could he look into a leaflet drop or a job he can do from home on the side? Just to earn enough to pay for the holiday.

With it going into spring maybe some door knocking to help anyone with their gardens, jet washing drives?

He is coming into 17 so does need to learn these things himself. Helping him to understand how he could have done it better and ways to rectify the short fall would help him with that learning.

The insurance is a good idea just in case. Compare meerkat gets you the cinema codes which will help him with being able to go out without spending more money.

Also op for your own situation do you use things like cashback sites etc to help save some money. If done properly you can save a decent amount of money on every day shopping