To think being slim should be normal for most people.

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By slim i mean sizes 8 to 12.

Obviously you get a minority who are not in this range naturally but for 80% of people this size should be natural, say they eat a reasonable diet of between 2000-3000 calories.

Im so sick of people at work making out i am abnormally thin for being a size 10. I watch what I eat but dont deprive myself. The same people making me out to be lucky to be slim eat fried chicken or pizza for lunch and seem to be able to demolish a whole pack of biscuits at 3 o clock.

Aibu to think that the normal human man/woman should be a size 8-12 and that to attain or maintain this does not require super human discipline or strength.

You'll get abuse for this comment but probably because of the way you've phrased it re "slim" rather than healthy weight.
The problem now is that so many people are overweight that it's seen as "normal" nowadays but it never used to be. There are huge health implications with being overweight but we've lost sight of that in part because being overweight is so common it's "normal."

I bet you have quinoa and spinach for breakfast.

Sometimes I do. Is it a problem for anyone? I'm not assessing anyone else's breakfast .

That is all to simplistic.

I think it should be about healthy body weight, good body image too, not just dress size, (currently struggling to lose weight as I'm menopausal.)

What I do know is that when I struggle to get into certain clothes, I know it is time to rein in the wine and cheese and bread. What is all too easy is to go out and buy bigger sizes of cheaply made throw away clothes and to keep sizing up. I actually can't afford to do that, which is fortunate as I will rein in my eating.

We also seem to moved on from a time when cakes were a treat to an everyday thing. And don't get e started on portion size, which seems to have got as huge as the crockery we serve our food in. I bought a 1970s dinner service recently and the cereal bowls are tiny!

It was normal. When I was growing up in the 90s everyone was around that size.

OP posted that she's sick of being 'slim shamed' and everyone here is attacking her and doing the same thing

Massively fat size 14 here too. I just eat lard all day. Can't control myself. Bog off OP!

I have been every size from 8-18.

The only way I can be a size 12 or under is by eating one meal a day or less.

I’m totally getting it thanks. There have been enough people saying they agree whatever their size or weight so I’m not the only one. I just don’t agree that being overweight should be the ‘norm’ (unless it’s medical).

When I was little I had a great aunt who was, to my 8 year old eyes, really fat. To be fair looking back she was probably an average size 16 but because it was so unusual where I lived to see anyone her size it really stood out to me. Nowadays, it definitely isn’t just the one person I know that’s over a size 16.

I work in a company with c110 employees, two of them have had gastric bands so far and a third is hoping for a referral. You don’t have that surgery without being seriously overweight.

You can’t in all honesty say that obesity isn’t a problem and it’s something that we should all be aware of.

I agree with the op. It seems people aren't allowed a opinion on things nowadays without been accused of fat shaming etc.

Years ago I was obese, 18 stone size 22 and utterly miserable. People thought nothing of staring at me and making comments as I was in the minority, now it's the norm, it's almost acceptable and noone dare say anything as has been proven by this post.
Of course you shouldn't go round telling people to lose weight and telling them they're fat as it bloody hurts. But we have forgotten what a normal size is.

You can’t in all honesty say that obesity isn’t a problem and it’s something that we should all be aware of.

No, I can't. That's why my post referred to 'a level headed discussion about the obesity crisis'.

I don’t think anyone is saying it isn’t a problem. Not sure this thread is a good way of tackling it.

I think being overweight has been normalised in our society and a lot of people have lost touch with the type of nutrition needed by our bodies as a result of living in a society where we are surrounded by high calorie foods.

This.

I've been obese and I keenly remember the frustration, emotional trauma and physical problems I had.

My BMi is healthy now but it took me 5 years of being slim to realise it's not about the size of your clothes; it's about being healthy and confident in your own skin.

Your post OP comes across as insensitive and unempathatic because you're assuming people are fat because they lack willpower. The truth is far more complex than that and if you focused on kindness rather than judgement then the world would be a better place.

Dress sizes are the worst example you could use because they mean precisely fuck all.

I can be various different sizes in different stores despite being a healthy weight for my height. For example, I have a pretty large set of boobs on me, meaning I end up buying clothes a lot larger than I would if I had a smaller pair! Without them I would likely fit quite nicely in your 'normal' size ten but with them, I sometimes have to buy clothes that are a 14 (shock, horror). I'm sorry the size of my t shirt offends you so greatly OP.

As for eating 2000 calories a day... that would be far too much for a lot of people.

I agree there is an obesity problem in this country but I really don't think the OP was posting with the best intentions. You can tell from their opening and subsequent posts, practically dripping with smugness.

Supine. The posters on here calling the OP nasty names and telling her to F off is hardly level headed debate though.

The OP is allowed to start a thread basically saying she’s fed up of being ‘skinny shamed’ (for want of a better phrase). If it was the other way round the OP would not have been met with the same abuse...

Ahhh, goady first post to set women against each other. Marvellous. Bored today, OP?

I've said it before on these threads and will no doubt say it again: anyone who genuinely believes that being fat is somehow accepted, celebrated, or glamourised has never struggled with their weight.

There needs to be a special board for these tedious weight threads. The poster who wants sympathy for her slim child, whilst saying 10 year old little boys have man boobs, honestly it'd be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

Oh crikey, have we been Daily Mailed again?

Seriously though, DD being bullied/taunted for being absolutely normal/slim is utterly horrible. I see she is getting paranoid about her weight to a detrimental effect. She is half the size of most other children.

Her weight is normal. Completely normal .Just not fat! The boys come out with wobbling thighs and breasts and stomachs. (Boys more than Girls) First thing their mothers do? Shove a huge ham sandwich in their mouth, so they endure the ride home. (Ride, not walk)

Mothers are all at least a size 18 FYI.

So how are we going to give poorer people acccess to healthier food? How are we going to ensure that people have enough money so they can afford to eat healthily And dont give me that shit that eating healthily is cheaper otherwise those two nursing homes that were in the news in the last year wouldnt have been giving their residents fast food And thats just the two that got caught.

Supine. The posters on here calling the OP nasty names and telling her to F off is hardly level headed debate though.

The opening post was hardly designed to invite level headed debate.

I think if you’re genetically pre disposed to being slim it can be bewildering as to why everyone else has such a hard time keeping weight off. Just because you see your overweight colleagues eating junk food doesn’t mean that they are representative of every overweight person out there. I’m sure we all know a person who struggles to put on weight and another who just has to look at carbs to put weight on. It isn’t all related to how much effort you put on. ( and although you have a point you should as a functioning grown up be aware that people often don’t feel good about being overweight and are very aware of the issue - although maybe emotional intelligence and empathy are not your strong point unlike your “slimness” )

The OP is allowed to start a thread basically saying she’s fed up of being ‘skinny shamed’

It kind of loses it's credibility though when the opening post is just as insulting to people larger than the OP. Hypocritical?

You can call out being 'slim shamed' without being a nob to other people.

Here here! I don’t give a shiny fucking shite what weight anyone is in my office or what they eat for lunch, and anyone in my personal life too but I get comments all the time about being ‘so skinny you need some chocolate’ I’m a size 8! And when I checked my bmi it says I’m mid normal weight, nowhere near underweight. It annoys me a bit but I just smile and conintue on with my life, but I do agree with you, it’s a shame that I’m seen as underweight when I’m actually not even close!

I used to be able to eat whatever I liked; crisp, chocolate, cake, biscuits, ice cream, cheese. However an emotional upset about 5 years ago saw me shrink to a size 6 and 7st (I’m 5’ 2”). I then met my now DH and piled weight on. I decided to do something about it and went to a gym and had PT sessions and lost 2 1/2 stone, taking me to just under 8st. That was just before Christmas 2017. My DH was then diagnosed with cancer, I adopted a “life’s too short” mantra. He is on the mend now but it’s been a horrendous year. My PT did say my metabolism has probably changed - I panicked it by not eating so everything is now stored.

It’s hard though. My PT gave me a nutrition plan and had me on 1200 cals a day. It worked, but Christ it’s boring. I was allowed one “treat” meal every week or so though. I was sick of scrutinising menus every time we went out, or refusing kind offers of cake or biscuits when visiting people. I stopped going to my PT when I started a job that involved shifts, he gave me a similar plan with breakfast (I’m up at 4 and have no time to eat), lunch, dinner and 2 snacks. I explained there was no way I could do this as I can’t do snacks; I work in a customer-facing role and we’re not allowed to eat in front of customers and I get one 20 minute break. I get up as late as I can so I’ll still get to work on time but I struggle to eat at 4am. I just didn’t feel supported so I stopped going.

I tend to eat quick, easy stuff now as I’m shattered. I have put weight on but I have little time to do much about it, I suspect I’m not alone!

You are absolutely right, OP. Britain as a nation is becoming disturbingly fat at a disturbing pace.

YABU to suggest that people should eat 2000-3000 kcal a day though. That's WAY more than the average person needs, certainly almost twice as much as the average sedentary woman needs.

This thread is the OP's first thread.

Colour me shocked.