To think being slim should be normal for most people.

[DevilishDebbie]

By slim i mean sizes 8 to 12.

Obviously you get a minority who are not in this range naturally but for 80% of people this size should be natural, say they eat a reasonable diet of between 2000-3000 calories.

Im so sick of people at work making out i am abnormally thin for being a size 10. I watch what I eat but dont deprive myself. The same people making me out to be lucky to be slim eat fried chicken or pizza for lunch and seem to be able to demolish a whole pack of biscuits at 3 o clock.

Aibu to think that the normal human man/woman should be a size 8-12 and that to attain or maintain this does not require super human discipline or strength.

Is the average person a statistical outlier?

Cassandra I'm sorry but you're not being logical here. If someone was only fed 6 table spoons of sugar a day, or two Mars Bars they would still eventually die of starvation because their calorie intake would be much lower than their output. It really is that simple.

@CoffeeMilkNoSugar

PCOS is caused BY obesity, not the other way around.

This is factually incorrect.
PCOS can be hereditary or can arise for unknown reasons in an individual. Symptoms (such as male pattern hair growth and irregular periods) can be made worse by weight gain, but at the same time one of the symptoms of PCOS is weight gain. It's quite a difficult condition to manage.

But you don't actually care much for fact do you Coffee? You're just here to stick the boot in.

N.B. I'm a size 10 (9 stone and 5 ft4) who cycles everywhere, doesn't drive, doesn't drink alcohol but does smoke.
I also have PCOS and work damn hard not to let myself get overweight - but I will never judge anyone else for their size when I know nothing about their diet or general health.

millythepink,

But this wasn't my example!!

I said if it's a calorie is a calorie then two people (say identical twins with the same starting stats), one fed 1000 kkal of varied nutritional food, another fed 1000 kkal of sugar and nothing else, would have the same results. Which is obviously not true.
So a calorie is not a calorie.
Also wouldn't work in the real world, one fed sugar would quickly give up (for a reason)
I am all for fasting(different from dieting) btw, and I am also convinced that what constitutes the calories/diet is more important than the number of calories, definitely more important when we talk about sustainability and weight maintenance rather than a crash weight loss.

But you're citing just silly examples because in what reality would anyone just consume pure sugar?

You can dance around the topic and try and shave tiny slivers off here and there in order to split hairs but if you only consume 1000 calories per day, or even 800 calories then you are going to lose weight, pretty much regardless of whatever medication you might take, or any other health issues you might have.

I haven’t read through the thread and wasn’t really going to comment until this comment annoyed me...
“PCOS is caused BY obesity, not the other way around.“
Odfod No scientific evidence which says this. I have always been a size 6 and eaten well yet I’m still insulin resistant with very bad pcos symptoms

Cassandra think that's being disproved
edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Sorry, but a calorie is a calorie when it comes to weightloss.

Cassandra the reason that starving refugees in refugee camps are still all different sizes is because they are all arriving in the camp at varying times, in varying weights, having come from various areas with access to more or less food.

"starvation mode!! - I said on a diet of damaging "food" even of limited calories even if it's all you eat you would eventually stop losing and might start gaining, for a number of reasons, one of them being that you'd be too tired to move enough".

This just highlights that you are incorrect in your assumptions. A resting body still needs well in excess of 1000 calories per day, even if you lay in bed all day because your organs burn calories to function, you burn through calories just by breathing. Cognitive function burns through calories. Chess Grandmasters have been shown to lose 3-4 lbs in weight just by sitting at a chess board because their brains are burning through calories so much.

I don't think some of you realise how demoralising some of these posts might be for someone who is trying to lose weight. You're so busy arguing,showing your knowledge and spouting facts that you forget that there might be real people behind the screen that are trying and maybe struggling.

I have PCOS. I am fat. I reduced my calories intake and I know some pointed out that no, it's not always 1000 but my BMR is 1700 anyways and my total burn is 2500 a day. I am trying. Ihave increased my exercise and my steps, someone said it was too little and sedentary. True, but i started at 5k , then 8k and now I'm at 10k. I am frikking trying. I do some light exercise most days despite the fact that I absolutely hate it. I am trying. I work in a school so there actually is quite a bit of running around and I walk everywhere. I am fitter than I used to be.

I've lost 12kgs since last january which is ok, but now I'm stuck at the same weight. Have been for a while. I'm not gaining, but I'm doing all these things I hate and not only have I nothing to show for it for the past 6 months,but apparently it's not good enough,or I'm lying, or I'm stupid and all I have to do is eat less,move more.

It's frustrating to say the least. I can't imagine how someone that is actually really low about their weight,depressed ,maybe doing even more than I am but still stuck would feel.

"*You wait till you have a couple of kids and hit middle age, your size 10 smugness will be a far and distant memory
*
Why is this assumed? It's categorically not true for me with 2 DC at nearly 42. Nor for many of my friends. It's nothing to do with smugness either to not want to eat myself into the overweight category .. what a strange way to think."

There's middle age and then there's middle age. I'm 42, quite a few pounds over what I'd like to be, but not officially overweight. I'm not so smug as to think that won't change when I hit 50 or when I go through the menopause. They say metabolism slows down as you get older so it does get more difficult to stay un-fat.

"A quick look around me and I can see that 90% of people around me are in the healthy weight range or at least not very obviously overweight. Slightly lower percentage once I get to the city but at a glance I'd say most are in the healthy range."

Do you live in a rich area Bloggers. I see a huge difference when I go to London. So many thing women and of all ages! The coach goes through Kensington and Chelsea so I think it's wealth that's to credit for it and possibly that people in big cities walk more than those in smaller cities.

sarcasm
12kg since January is bloody amazing
well done you.
One of the ways of eating that alleviates PCOS is intermittent fasting
pop over to the %;" threads and auntie bigchoc will take you under her wing

Having kids and middle age are not necessarily reasons to put on weight. Eating more than your body needs is.

My mum is 50 and the slimmest I've seen her, size 8, she says it's harder to keep the weight off now (menopausal) she does 16:8 and pretty good at being active. She had 2 kids. So harder, but not impossible.

YourSarcasmIsDripping 12kg since January is a formidable achievement. Well done. You're doing exactly the right thing. You've plateaud - time to create a slightly bigger deficit and the scales should start moving again soon. Keep it up, you're doing great.

I understand that my posts might seem extremely hurtful. They are. But they are also a harsh dose of reality that obese people need. The first step for losing weight is dropping the fatlogic - you can't sugarcoat it.

Sorry she's 55 actually, not sure where I got 50 from!

@CoffeeMilkNoSugar I don't find them hurtful I do find them frustrating. And it's since last January do not that great.

I don't find them hurtful because since 10-11 I have been bullied by classmates (my nn was sumo) and emotionally abused(I'm as big as a wardrobe, such a pretty face shame about the body, you can't wear any pretty clothes,they don't make them in your size, you can't ride a bike/roller skates you'd break them, you can't go ice skating, you'd break the ice, no one will want you, no one will love you ,followed by asking my dad how mych he dislikes fat women etc.)by my mother for being fat. She actually sent me to a tutor with a penchant for young girls because she thought I'd be safe because I was fat. I spent years and years thinking I'm fat when I wasn't. I am now . I'm 33 now, she's still severely disappointed I'm fat.

There's nothing you or anyone can say that I haven't heard or been through so I'm not sat here crying in my pillow. I'm just pissed off. I was pissed off yesterday because someone kept asking when they could go AHA! You eat more than you said. (Despite still being under what I xan eat) . I'm pissed off again.Ofc that might be more because of the scales rather than the comments but oh well..

Merail finished I promise.

Talking which thread is that?

Yoursarcasm
Interesting
It is a truth universally ignored
that a very small proportion of the population are just big
if they were starved they would go straight from big to haggard with nothing in between
from what I can track, they (you) are about 1 in 200 of the population
my Mum's best friend in the 60's was big
BUT
what can make a difference now is
fitness
muscles in women are accepted now in a way they never were before

• try bodypump

it may well change your shape within the same parameters in a way that you rather like

yoursarcasm
caps lock failed on me ....
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3520848-5-2-Thread-number-84-Exercise-hack-Fartlek-interval-training-with-non-regular-intervals-Fartleg-lie-sideways-watching-TV-and-gently-raise-a-leg-to-break-wind
Auntie BigChoc is there with a welcome

"I understand that my posts might seem extremely hurtful. They are. But they are also a harsh dose of reality that obese people need."

Does that include the ones that are a load of bollocks like the one about PCOS And the one about dating which is totes health related.

I have pcos and other health conditions that cause fatiuge and i do try to watch what i eat and exercise as much as i can without burning myself out but its hard :(

Sarcasm i plateaued too. at 17 stone 9 for several weeks when i was coming down from 21 stone. I dropped a bit more calorie wise and carried on losing till i hit my 11 stone target.

I don't think losing weight is that difficult. I think losing weight and keeping it off is difficult. I'm an emotional eater, and can stuff my face for Britain. I keep losing weight then piling it on again. I'm the original yoyo. Sometimes I think what's the point in losing it only to regain it, but at the end of the day I hate being fat so it's worth being on a diet to not always be fat.

I do sometimes think that losing and gaining weight within a certain range, unhealthy though that is, is the only way for me to have a semblance of control over my weight. I can't be the only one who does this, either.