To think being slim should be normal for most people.

[DevilishDebbie]

By slim i mean sizes 8 to 12.

Obviously you get a minority who are not in this range naturally but for 80% of people this size should be natural, say they eat a reasonable diet of between 2000-3000 calories.

Im so sick of people at work making out i am abnormally thin for being a size 10. I watch what I eat but dont deprive myself. The same people making me out to be lucky to be slim eat fried chicken or pizza for lunch and seem to be able to demolish a whole pack of biscuits at 3 o clock.

Aibu to think that the normal human man/woman should be a size 8-12 and that to attain or maintain this does not require super human discipline or strength.

@coffeemilknosugar
You talk a degree of sense but I have to disagree with you on PCOS. First of all any medical professional will tell you the exact cause is not known and obesity is a symptom not a cause.
And anecdotally I can tell you that I have PCOS. I was diagnosed three months ago. I have never struggled with my weight but had many other indicative symptoms (body hair, high testosterone, irregular periods). The heaviest I have ever been was this past 6 months at 10 stone because I had a lot of muscle gain from endurance training. I'm still well within the healthy BMI category.
PCOS is not caused by obesity.

@goingonabearhunt1, I used the word# 'junk found' in its large sense of the term.

If I could eat anything without gaining weight or feeling bloated, I might indeed not have Mc Donald's every day but I do think I'd go for creamy pancakes and Marple syrup for breakfast rather than bean flakes, have a sandwich with mayonnaise and a large bag of crisps or fries for lunch rather than a soup and bran bread and a huge bowl of creamy pasta with tons of cheese on top and a cake in the evenings rather than a plate of salmon with vegetables. Snacks would be a twix rather a handful of nuts.

Hmmm this is a rather odd thread to start!

and that to attain or maintain this does not require super human discipline or strength

Well actually, it can be. Some people find it incredibly difficult to lose weight and have to work that extra bit harder. I know I did. Everybody's bodies are different. Yes it comes down to cals in and cals out but some people do have go the extra mile (literally).

So I think that's a little ignorant to say. Also, if someone has an eating disorder or unhealthy relationship or pattern with food, it can be incredibly hard to break the cycle so yes sometimes it does take super human strength!

Im so sick of people at work making out i am abnormally thin for being a size 10

^ I get where you are coming from on the main point you were trying to make. My parents are overweight themselves, and are constantly saying I should eat more or when I complain I'm cold say it's because I haven't got enough fat on my body.

I'm a normal, healthy weight. But it's their unhealthy perception of what they deem as normal which makes them think I'm not.

So I get that point you are making. Can't say I have had anyone other than my parents say it to me though!

CassandraAttheWedding

It's true though. You could eat sugar and chicken nuggets, but if you're at a deficit, you'll still lose weight. It won't be a healthy diet, but yes, you will lose weight. Obviously this sort of diet should be discouraged, but the basic principle still applies.

At BMI 22.5 I am 29% fat .....
anybody who thinks they are healthy and fat is kidding themselves

@saxatablesalt
Agree with your post completely. My children have a box of treats in the garage. There know it's there and only ask for a treat from it around friday-Sunday. They don't bother with it on other days. When i give them the box to choose from, they 'll just take one thing. Whenever the eldest had a particular friend over, this friend would get over excited by this box as she was never allowed sugar by mum. She would try and take as many treats as possible. I would have to hide the box away! Do I agree, the more you say no, the more they want it.

but if you're at a deficit, you'll still lose weight
You won't not because it'd be impossible - your body would put up a fight, your central nervous system would suffer (you would lose it, if you were in a prison cell and it would be all you were fed, and even then only if you don't have major hormonal disorders, and eventually you'd start gaining even on the same number of calories), and you'd gain it all back and more as soon as you would stop such diet, and it would be for a reason, good biological reason.
Lustig in his book about sugar explains these mechanisms at length.

Cassandra
Stop talking utter bollocks.
Starving people starve
Not much obesity in refugee camps

Starvation mode is a total myth

Cassandra, just stop with the fatlogic already.

You eat at a deficit, you lose. You eat at a surplus, you gain.

'Starvation mode' is a big fat lie. It doesn't exist. It's not a thing. Otherwise we'd be seeing plenty of obese people in areas where food is scarce. Your Western body is not special and is subject to the very same rules as any other body anywhere else in the world.

If you ate sugar and nuggets at a deficit, you WOULD lose weight but you WOULD be unhealthy.

(Disclaimer - yes, some skinny people can be unhealthy. But fat people are NOT HEALTHY. Thin people can be unhealthy DESPITE their size, not because of it. There's no such thing as fat and fit. Health is not merely the absence of disease. If you are in your 20s, obese, and 'healthy' - don't worry! Your weight will catch up with you sooner rather than later.)

A deficit is a deficit, I lost 2 stone last year, by calorie counting. Some days I'd had a Big Mac and chocolate but just made sure I was within my calorie range (other days I tried to be healthier!) I lost it steadily over the 2 or 3 months and have kept it of. Obviously eating 2 Big Macs a day would make you very unhealthy, but chances are if it's all you ate you'd lose weight as it's 1000 calories.

Weight loss really isn't complicated, eat less, weigh less. End of.

The body positive movement has a lot to answer for tbh.

Like bodyposipanda who I believe used to be anorexic. She is now very overweight. I'm sorry but there is just no way she doesn't still have disordered eating. Anyone who is overweight does.

Starving people starve - are starving people fed a diet of sugar? (Or sugar and chicken nuggets, as coffee suggested) also refugee camps have a variety of sizes even on the same diet.
And overall, Talkin, what a charmer you are! (Not)

Oh and one thing I did was skip breakfast, I don't eat until lunch most days now, it's an easy way to skip calories as I don't really get hungry until I've started eating, and I lost weight no problems. Starvation mode was debunked long ago, I believe "starving" for a period is now seen as healthy for the system.

Cassandra, you are so tiring. If you wish to remain voluntarily oblivous to facts, and if you wish to stay in your bubble of denial, please do. If you wish to be obese, it is your prerogative. Just stop spreading misinformation and making bullshit excuses. You can lie to yourself all you want, but a fact is a fact, and a fact is the most stubborn thing in the world.

Be what you want to be, Just don't harm other people by spreading lies.

All diets work because they put you into a calorie deficit. Low carb = calorie deficit. Slimming world = calorie deficit. 5:2 = calorie deficit.

The whole 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day' thing is a myth too imo.

Coffee, eh? Assuming much?

I am normal BMI and size 10ish, and I advocated set meals, so that you are hungry by a meal time (if it means skipping a meal, it means skipping a meal)
And I never even mentioned or referred to starvation mode!! - I said on a diet of damaging "food" even of limited calories even if it's all you eat you would eventually stop losing and might start gaining, for a number of reasons, one of them being that you'd be too tired to move enough.

Calorie is a calorie is very outdated in nutritional science, but whatever - if this notion is what someone happy with and they are content to spend their life counting calories or are sure that they have found their lifetime sustainable solution that way, so be it - I don't care.

Calorie is a calorie is very outdated in nutritional science, and yet it still works like a charm...

"My gp told me pcos causes weight gain, was she wrong"

Well Coffees qualifications are obviously higher than that of a lowly GPs

"your dating pool will almost vanish"

Yeah Coffee you are all about the health.

Unlike you i didnt lose my empathy along with my weight.

Well, it isn't the slim (ie. curvy) ladies who bring out that nonsense to make themselves feel better, is it?

I think the reason for your attitude is FEAR. You fear getting like that again.

I was a size 28 now im a 14. Only place i didnt lose much from is my boobs.

my legs are a problem as i have lipodema inherited from my gran on the British side.

its not too bad but i will never have sexy legs. So nasty comments about dating pools and adipose tissue are obviously posted by someone with ishoos.

This thread isnt the worst ive seen on here.

Last years one denigrating formerly overweight ppl for needing surgery to remove loose skin was a real corker.

One MNer who lost 20 stone really needs this surgery as her skin gets infected. Which leaves her at risk of infections like sepsis. NHS wont remove though Despite this there were reams of fuckers (not unlike some of those on this thread) lining up to tell her she didnt deserve it unless she paid for it herself.

So despite all their protestations and insistence they were only concerned about overweight ppls health they thought she should be left like that when clearly her health was at risk due to infections.

Proving that its not about health at all . Its all about persecution.

Yup. Fear. I'm scared shitless of the joint pain, loss of mobility, pre-diabetes, back pain, and other assorted risks and even more unpleasant things later in life. Prettty good reasons for being scared.

When i was 21 stone i was doing 10 hour night shifts. I lost the weight while i was in that job but i was still doing those shifts to start with.

If you are in your 20s, obese, and 'healthy' - don't worry! Your weight will catch up with you sooner rather than later.

Tbf, my ex was obese according to BMI. He was also incredibly healthy - the weight was muscle due to a combination of lucky genetics, eating properly and a LOT of exercise. Even his doctor laughed and told him not to bother about weight because he was a statistical outlier. He is still like that now at 35.