To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

[EthelFechan]

We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

Not having children and wanting them is the one thing I feel sorry for her, and with Leasdom rubbing it in, makes it even worse.

I very much think she is the wrong PM at the wrong time. It might have been that there was never a right time for her though.

*Rubadublin

She’s just buried her mother hasn’t she?

Today 11:47 KurriKurri

I hope not Rubadublin - her mother died in the 1980's.*

8 pages in and this is still tickling me

BlueSlipperSocks, we get it, we really do. You think she’s doing an amazing job. Meanwhile in the real world

On the contrary. I wouldn't be as shallow as to think I could do better tho... Especially if I couldn't quantify that. Or say who I think would have done a better job. TM has done the best job she could have. I'll ask again.... Who do you think could have done better? You seem unable to answer that question, despite jumping on the bandwagon and putting someone down, with seemingly no idea why - except to look like "one of the mean girls".

Any idea who you think would have been best to clear up Cameron's mess yet?

The glass cliff talks about women being appointed to failing companies. No one appointed Theresa May - she couldn't wait to put her name forward. She then did get in by default because of the parties rules for electing their leaders once Leasdom pulled out (was nobbled by the men in suits perhaps?)

What would you (and your dog) have done differently?

from the start, i would have set up cross party boards. communicate with the people. i wouldnt have wasted time fighting gina miller over sovreignty. i would obviously have tried to find out what 'leave' means to brexiteers - we know that for many it didn't mean leaving the customs union. i wouldnt have backed myself into a corner with irreconciliable red lines. i would have consideted the gfa. i wouldnt have bloody triggered article 50 before we were ready - that was bloody fatal. i wouldnt have called an election straight after - that was a dick move, but if i had called an election, id bloody campaign for it- properly. id have launched an enquiry into the cheating of the leave campaign- and i wouldnt have lying boris as foreign sec, obv windrush scandal and hostile environment wouldnt have happened under my watch- because im not a racist- i wouldnt have made dumb slogans to try and appeal to the thickest in society- i might have tried to get my own withdrawal agreement through - if i couldnt have, i would arrange a proper referendum and i would campaign vigorously for remain.

honestly, it is shocking to me that people genuinely seem to think tmays way is the only way- it isnt and it wasnt. Shes a disaster.

Personally, I think Cameron could have done better if he hadn't run away.
He could first have called his Parliamentary party together and asked them if they wanted him to stay on. Assuming the answer was yes, I think he would have reached out more to other parties. He also had the advantage of knowing his opposite numbers in the EU so would have had something of a head start.

He would also have kept his word, that he would stay on and implement the result. He might well have found that he couldn't do so either, of course, but I doubt whether his result would have been the same as May's.

Completely agree @Peregrina. I was saying May was doing a shit job long before this thread opened @BlueSlipperSocks, no jumping on any bandwagon here.

@BlueSlipperSocks - Do you think she would have been better off saying she will go with the majority vote and leave, regardless? That would have saved her a lot of work.

Except for the teensy little detail of the GFA which meant she couldn't just "leave, regardless" without ripping up an international agreement.

Helmet for PM!

ha, that was my dog.

I don't think Mrs May is bonkers, but as for negotiation, I'm not sure there was a credible plan to begin with. The biggest mistake was needing DUP support instead of calling their bluff, i.e. vote me out and you get the IRA sympathiser instead.

Except for the teensy little detail of the GFA which meant she couldn't just "leave, regardless" without ripping up an international agreement

Exactly! This shitshow was never going to be as simple as the SAHM mums of toddlers seem to think was it? Despite their protestation that anyone, including them, could have done better. None of them seem to be able to answer a simple question. There we go... Everyone can look superior when bleating about their own self identified worth . The reality is a very different story. Of those who claim to be, somehow, superior in a PM situation, I wonder how many of them have basic O Levels, let alone a degree in politics...

honestly, it is shocking to me that people genuinely seem to think tmays way is the only way- it isnt and it wasnt. Shes a disaster.

Well quite. The GFA is, will always be and has always been a huge, impassable stumbling block. The only way round it would be BINO, which would also have the effect of getting many of the 48% on board. It would be an utterly pointless, stupid exercise, but then that's true of this whole fucking debacle in the first place.

I have watched this stupidity with my jaw on the floor for 3 years now and I still can't get over the monstrosity and incompetence and flat-out dishonesty of it all.

TM seems to me to be an ultra-authoritarian xenophobe. Her way or the highway. All that matters to her is ending free movement and hang all the rest (possibly literally). That's the altar she's sacrificing this country's prosperity and, potentially, peace on. I despair that my country has been completely unable to produce better leaders than the current shower.

I wonder how many of them have basic O Levels, let alone a degree in politics...

Well I for one can answer to the affirmative for the first and a partial affirmative for the second, because I did Politics, Economics and Sociology for my degree - the latter being more than May or Johnson can lay claim to.

Yes, she has a Geography degree doesn't she?

*from the start, i would have set up cross party boards. communicate with the people. i wouldnt have wasted time fighting gina miller over sovreignty. i would obviously have tried to find out what 'leave' means to brexiteers - we know that for many it didn't mean leaving the customs union. i wouldnt have backed myself into a corner with irreconciliable red lines. i would have consideted the gfa. i wouldnt have bloody triggered article 50 before we were ready - that was bloody fatal. i wouldnt have called an election straight after - that was a dick move, but if i had called an election, id bloody campaign for it- properly. id have launched an enquiry into the cheating of the leave campaign- and i wouldnt have lying boris as foreign sec, obv windrush scandal and hostile environment wouldnt have happened under my watch- because im not a racist- i wouldnt have made dumb slogans to try and appeal to the thickest in society- i might have tried to get my own withdrawal agreement through - if i couldnt have, i would arrange a proper referendum and i would campaign vigorously for remain.

honestly, it is shocking to me that people genuinely seem to think tmays way is the only way- it isnt and it wasnt. Shes a disaster*

Brilliant! Are you up for election anytime soon? Id love to vote for you - and watch you fall from the high pedestal you place yourself on.

Did you even consider that JC was the dogged instigator of the triggering of article 50 with him telling his party they had to vote to trigger a50, in line with cross party talks? Or are you not bothered about intricate matters? Sounds like you are looking for a whipping boy. An avid Corbyn fan are you, because you certainly come across as someone who have no ideas of your own but have no problem with arguing against someone else's ideas. Clueless Corbyn and you seem a great match!

BTW you know TM was badgered into calling a GE, because Corbyn demanded it - citing she, as an unelected PM, had no mandate...right?

Well I for one can answer to the affirmative for the first and a partial affirmative for the second, because I did Politics, Economics and Sociology for my degree - the latter being more than May or Johnson can lay claim to

Lovely! You standing soon?

Yeah, of course she was because we all know she’s completely obedient to Corbyn,s bidding. And please stop insulting us all @BlueSlipperSocks, i’m old enough to have voted to go into the EU in 75 and this is the worst political crisis and PM of my life time.

I am giggling at the thought of Theresa 'Fuck you, pleb' May being hectored into anything, let alone by Comrade Corbyn.

Mind you, if her record's anything to go by, we're due one or two massive u-turns sooner or later. I've got my fingers crossed she'll cancel Brexit, stick two fingers up at Bercow, call JRM a twat, drop the mic and swan off to Barbados.

Like this perhaps?

Can you imagine TM having a meltdown?
Throwing her big jewellery about and telling people to F off?
Wouldn't be great but would be funny!
( for five minutes)

An incompetent PM who completely failed to unite the country and to offer meaningful leadership even to her own party - anyone who appoints a racist and proven liar like Boris to such a powerful position is demonstrably incompetent. Sadly our opposition led by a leader dripping in anti semitism and misogyny is equally useless and equally responsible for Brexit - his failure to lead or even allow an effective opposition led us to where we are.

Like most others on this thread I am horrified and frankly quite frightened about the damage that is being done to the country and what the future will be for our children. We are only seeing the beginning of the shitstorm that will shortly hit us.

The80sweregreat

Yes, what is it with the big jewellery. Therapy, do you suppose, like basket weaving?

Like most others on this thread I am horrified and frankly quite frightened about the damage that is being done to the country and what the future will be for our children.

apparently, there are some on this thread who think may is doing a wonderful imaginative job- shes got ALL the best ideas- anyone who doesnt think so must be a corbyn fan.

oh and may is also a brilliantly strong leader, so strong and stable that she was bullied into brexit by the clueless opposition.

the cognitive dissonance is very strong in this one.

Ha ha! No idea : why such huge jewellery?
Clunky awful stuff that probably costs mega amounts but looks terrible!