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To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 11:33

We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Hmm Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 20:36

So SAHMs with toddlers can vote in the Referendum but are not allowed an opinion on its implementation unless they have a degree in politics ? Okaaaaay ....

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Peregrina · 27/02/2019 20:46

How do you know BlueSlipperSocks that some of us are not already actively involved in politics? I strongly suspect a good deal more active than you are.

As for May calling a GE because of Corbyn - don't try to make us laugh. It was those stupid advisers of hers, plus the polls - it looked such a good opportunity to stick it to the Labour party.

I was also old enough to vote in the 1975 Referendum. I was also a poll clerk on the day. Being a poll clerk makes for a long day, but depending how busy the polls are, can be interesting ( or can be a bit boring if it's quiet.)

Dutch1e · 27/02/2019 20:47

Where is our latterday Winston Churchill, a hero to save us from European expansionism again?

I'm still confused about all the Churchill stuff being flung around by Leavers. Churchill wanted a United States Of Europe, so basically the EU?

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 20:47

Exactly! This shitshow was never going to be as simple as the SAHM mums of toddlers seem to think was it? Despite their protestation that anyone, including them, could have done better. None of them seem to be able to answer a simple question. There we go... Everyone can look superior when bleating about their own self identified worth . The reality is a very different story. Of those who claim to be, somehow, superior in a PM situation, I wonder how many of them have basic O Levels, let alone a degree in politics...

blimey i knew her/his posts were agressive but how could i have missed this nasty misogynistic little post? fucking hell- what a twatty thing to say.

i answered your question. i shouldnt have bothered. wow.

Peregrina · 27/02/2019 20:52

I answered the question too, and got some sarcasm back. Oh well, I should know better than to feed a troll....

The80sweregreat · 27/02/2019 20:52

Winston Churchill was the same as Mrs Thatcher was : a big fan of Europe.
The tories have always been spilt over Europe and always will be.

Accountant222 · 27/02/2019 20:52

I actually feel quite sorry for her, DC caused this mess, then fucks straight off leaving others to pick up the pieces.

scissorsandpen · 27/02/2019 20:53

No she was left a bag of shit from Cameron the EU is using us as an example of what happens when you dare to leave and the rest of the politicians well don’t get me started. I think she is doing the best she can it’s not her fault in my opinion .I’m a remainder btw

scissorsandpen · 27/02/2019 20:55

Remainer bloody auto correct and to be honest the fact she has stayed to see this through speaks volumes and I am defo not a Tory !!!

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 20:56

she sure likes teresa may! Grin

Peregrina · 27/02/2019 20:56

She was left a bag of shit from Cameron, but she was mighty keen to stand for PM. She is perhaps doing the best she can while appeasing the ERG - who won't be appeased.

twattymctwatterson · 27/02/2019 21:03

I take it Gth just buggered off after realising that NI is not, in fact "abroad"?

scissorsandpen · 27/02/2019 21:03

Actually DC is where the blame should be laid feck sake we wouldn’t even be here if he hadn’t been involved . Such misinformation abounding Scott is independence feck up mark II

doIreallyneedto · 27/02/2019 21:04

@scissorsandpen - the EU is using us as an example of what happens when you dare to leave

Ffs. The EU has made it as easy as possible for the UK to leave. They have however, as a pp said, refused to give the UK a better deal than members have because that would be stupid. They have also insisted that any deal should not break an international agreement that the UK signed with another member state. They are not "punishing" or "making an example of" the UK. This shit storm is purely the UK's fault and has been exasperated by the sheer incompetence of the UK government.

The UK and Ireland are both in a unique position within the EU that makes leaving much more complicated and difficult than it would be for any other member. The fact this seems to have come as a surprise to the UK is mind boggling.

Snowy111 · 27/02/2019 21:05

I’m no Tory voter but I do think she’s making the best of an extremely difficult situation, where no two people seem to agree on what Brexit means, so many are just out for their own gains without a thought for how it would affect the poorest, we just want out cake and eat it which the EU won’t allow, where the will of the people had to be delivered even though it’s going to make us all worse off.

Who else would do it?

No wonder she’s looking ill.

scissorsandpen · 27/02/2019 21:12

Was there any clear exit strategy when they all agreed to be EU and truly does any agreement hold up all these years later? . I kind of agree if they are following a contract that’s was signed for and it’s a case of no sorry your exit deal was blah. The whole thing is an absolute fuck up bit that is not TM fault . I mean people are stock piling for godsake . What is happening after March just in basic holiday mode regarding drivers liscence wahhhh I could cry

maddening · 27/02/2019 21:19

There is no possible deal - customs union which would be acceptable to eu and ni would lead to brexiteers rioting, not leaving would lead to brexiteers rioting, the deal would lead to troubles in ni again and has no guarantees of success as it there is still massive reluctance from some eu countries and we could end up with a shit trade deal, no deal will fuck over any of us without a million in the bank and destroy our economy - it is not possible so no wonder she is looking harassed

scissorsandpen · 27/02/2019 21:27

Oh and TM to blame eh no it was all the people they voted to leave ..... in the first place

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 22:07

The whole thing is an absolute fuck up bit that is not TM fault

She's the Prime Minister - of course the buck stops with her!

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scissorsandpen · 27/02/2019 22:25

I totally disagree dabbed if she does damned if she don’t . I’m neither a Tory or for brexit but I think she is doing all she can after DC pushed this thru and fecked off

maddening · 27/02/2019 22:38

Go on ethel - tell us exactly which position in brexit is acceptable to all stakeholders and does not fuck up the economy. I take it that you would not crack trying to deliver this so simple political outcome

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 23:36

Obviously no-one would pretend to be able to deliver a result that would be acceptable to all stakeholders, simply because that would mean somehow keeping staunch remainers and no-deal leavers happy plus every shade of opinion in between.

However, I simply cannot see how anyone possibly claim that TM is doing the best she can, otherwise we could not conceivably be in the position where, around 700 hours away from Brexit, we have no clue what is going to happen. How, for instance, was calling that idiotic General Election ever remotely sensible?

I really don't understand the received wisdom that having a second referendum would be the nuclear option. There is perfectly good justification for doing so on the basis of (1) the fraud affecting the last referendum and (2) the fact that it is now much, much clearer what we are voting for. There is every reason to believe that a new referendum would go the other way, in which case frankly the majority of the country would breathe a big sigh of relief and try to forget the whole mess ever happened. And we might stand a fighting chance of keeping companies like Honda on our shores.

Helmetbymidnight · 28/02/2019 06:31

t. may chose the hardest interpretation of brexit- she didnt have to do that (plus its near impossible to do) she has failed abysmally to communicate or unify.

it makes no difference if youre a sahm or someone with a very good degree in politics from a top university (or perhaps someone who is both these things Shock Grin - its not difficult to see that she has backed this country further and fuurther into a corner.

all those defending her seem able to say is 'its a tough job' - well yes it is, and she is doing it badly or 'who else would do it?' no one else would do it in this manner thats for sure- and the paucity of good politicians around doesnt simply make her good by default.

JRMisOdious · 28/02/2019 08:01

Dutch1e

JRMisOdious · 28/02/2019 08:08

Dutch1e

I'm still confused about all the Churchill stuff being flung around by Leavers. Churchill wanted a United States Of Europe, so basically the EU”

Exactly this. His grandson is horrified and I suspect the man himself will be spinning in his grave.

My mother is 80 this year, born in London in October 1939, stayed in London throughout the war with mother and adult sisters. She is a firm remainer, as research shows are many of her generation, because they remember what life was really like here before the EU, with the ever present threat of war in a fractious continent, unlike the comfortable baby boomers who’ve had the luxury of peace and the welfare state all of their lives (excluding NI, obviously) and take it woefully and shamefully for granted.
Dont we ever learn anything from history? We only have peace BECAUSE of the EU, imperfect though it may be. Idiots.

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