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To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 11:33

We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Hmm Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

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longwayoff · 27/02/2019 16:32

Brinkpink, that's the best summary of events I've seen.

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 16:57

@SaturdayNext - thanks for that excerpt from the Matthew Parris article. Excellent description of TMay. It seems she's always been deeply unpleasant and is now bonkers. No sympathy for her at all.

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 17:01

@KurtiKurri - my poisoned challice comment was aimed specifically at you. I've seen it mentioned on several MN threads about TMay - usually in the vein of she's a poor woman doing the work that the menz won't do.

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Jaxhog · 27/02/2019 17:02

The issue that people really have with the EU is that the EU is not prepared to give the UK a better deal than EU members.

I had to laugh at that! I'm met people who actually believe this was (and is still) possible.

Jaxhog · 27/02/2019 17:10

TM has had opportunities to call a halt to this mess - the referendum was advisory,

That may be true in law, but it would be a very brave leader, or party, that seriously proposed this! Without the power and support to do it, it would be permanent political suicide. It would also tear the country apart even more than currently. Even TM isn't that crazy.

Peregrina · 27/02/2019 17:22

I'd imagine not having children is a huge negative for her, no one from across the generations to talk to her nor has she learned to compromise like most parents have to with their kids.

I would add here, being an only one, so not having brothers and/or sisters to knock a few corners off. Also being the child of a relatively elderly father - I know her father was born in 1917 so he must have been nearly 40 when she was born, which for those days was relatively late. He was also a public figure, which would put her under scrutiny (my DF was a minor public figure, so I have first hand experience of this.) Add in a mother with disabilities - I would get the impression that her childhood wasn't all that much fun, which helps to give her the awkward personality she has.

Having said that, she shouldn't have taken the job - she needed to take a good hard look at herself and ask whether she was up to it, or at least up to it at the present time. (I think she might make a competent but dull PM at a time of stability, but that is not right now!)

bellinisurge · 27/02/2019 17:47

Pretty disgusting to go after her for not having children. Not very nice to have a go at her for being an only with an older father.
Have a go at her for her policies and actions as PM, not her family situation.

Peregrina · 27/02/2019 17:54

I am not having a go at her per se - I am trying to think of why she has the personality she does. A personality which at the present time is wholly unsuited to being PM, but might have been OK at a different time. She might e.g. have been OK following Thatcher, worthy, but dull.

BlueSlipperSocks · 27/02/2019 17:56

@BlueSlipperSocks, Half the UK didn’t vote for Brexit at all. Just over half of those who could be arsed to vote did. A lot of the population just sat on their hands

Ah ok 😏 I'll rephrase.

Of those who bothered to vote the majority voted to leave. Better??

Either way the PM would have to take the views of the majority into consideration. Or do you think she should have said, "The majority voted to leave, but fuck em. I'm a remainer. I'm going to scrap Brexit".

Do you think it would be that easy?

Maybe if Labour wins the next GE by a small margin we should say, "Fuck Labour. Let's go with the minority and put The lib dems in power". Cos that will work won't it? Don't bother saying the referendum was advisory. Cameron stated time after time that he will act according to the will of the people....then fucked off as soon as the votes were counted, leaving someone else to deal with his mess.

Ill ask again, who do you think would have done a better job?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 27/02/2019 17:57

So women (not men) who don’t have children or don’t have siblings or have older parents shouldn’t be allowed to be PM? Bloody hell!

BlueSlipperSocks · 27/02/2019 18:00

Last post was aimed towards @alsohuman. Sorry bold fail

Peregrina · 27/02/2019 18:00

No of course PMs who don't have siblings or have elderly parents shouldn't be PM, Stop throwing up straw men. Anyone standing for public office needs though to take a good hard look at themselves and ask if physically they can cope with the demands of the job and mentally can they cope with what is thrown at them.

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 18:10

Either way the PM would have to take the views of the majority into consideration. Or do you think she should have said, "The majority voted to leave, but fuck em. I'm a remainer. I'm going to scrap Brexit

she hasnt taken any views into consideration- she hasnt listened, she hasnt communicated with us. instead she has bleated out meaningless slogans: brexit means brexit (ummm?) or the will of the people (eh?)
im astonished that this impresses people.
no im not really astonished at all.

i could have done a better job. my dog could.

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/02/2019 18:11

Are you in the UK @Gth1234?Confused

icannotremember · 27/02/2019 18:14

What I will never understand is why someone who is supposed to be fairly intelligent didn't realise that Brexit was impossible to deliver to anyone's satisfaction, and the best way to prevent the fuck up from becoming a stick to beat one party with was to make it a cross party thing from the get go. Labour will be able to come back at any Tory attack with "yeah but Brexit" for years. TM seems to me to be prioritising party far above country, so why someone didn't point out to her that the best way to protect the Tory party from eternal Brexit related flak was to ensure that other parties had to take some responsibility for it, I don't know.

I don't have any sympathy for her. She has fucked it up even more than I thought she would, and I didn't have much confidence in her abilities in the first place. She should back the 'pass the deal and then put it to a People's Vote' proposal. They all should. That would make the most sense (well, Revoke would make the most sense but in these ridiculous times, where Brexit has become a quasi religion, I don't suppose it's possible).

I don't even bother to argue with people who support No Deal any more, because it's the old playing chess with a pigeon thing.

Alsohuman · 27/02/2019 18:27

What I think is she should have taken a cross party approach from the outset instead of ploughing her lonely furrow, ignoring everyone else in Parliament. The whole thing is a complete shitshow and she’s ended up pleasing nobody.

WeeDangerousSpike · 27/02/2019 18:31

Totally agree OP. She would have had to have been off her rocker to take the job in the first place, and she's going more bonkers by the day.

Who the hell starts a negotiation by publicly announcing they won't compromise?!

She's not qualified to negotiate. No politicians are. We should have appointed a professional negotiator and diplomat to handle the talks.

I know less than the square root of fuck all about Ireland, and am top young to remember the Troubles, but I'm genuinely afraid of the potential for violence if the GFA isn't protected. It's already started. There have already been bombs, this isn't some pie in the sky nonsense, this has the potential to be actual life and death if not handled right.

BlueSlipperSocks · 27/02/2019 18:31

*she hasnt taken any views into consideration- she hasnt listened, she hasnt communicated with us. instead she has bleated out meaningless slogans: brexit means brexit (ummm?) or the will of the people (eh?)
im astonished that this impresses people.
no im not really astonished at all.

i could have done a better job. my dog could*

She has worked hard trying to secure a deal to leave EU, which would have sated the remainers and the brexiteers. Do you think she would have been better off saying she will go with the majority vote and leave, regardless? That would have saved her a lot of work. What, exactly, is your thinking here? Don't tell me...let me guess....She should have ignored the wishes of the majority and pandered to the minority because it suits you...right?

What would you (and your dog) have done differently?

Unfinishedkitchen · 27/02/2019 18:35

Soooo Corbyn isn’t an only child with no kids or the son of an older man so what’s his issue? Or is it that none of this matters as to why someone is a shit leader?

Didn’t realise Andrea Leadsom was a member.

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 18:35

Sorry @KurtiKurri- that should have said my poisoned challice comment wasn't aimed specifically at you

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Home77 · 27/02/2019 18:35

The ironic thing is when she became PM, she gave the impression of being relatively 'safe' and sensible compared to BJ, and the like. Oh and the one who (also) said about her not having children..and had to pull out. Strange to think of that now.

Home77 · 27/02/2019 18:36

Andrea Leadsom I meant

Alsohuman · 27/02/2019 18:37

@BlueSlipperSocks, we get it, we really do. You think she’s doing an amazing job. Meanwhile in the real world ...

blueangel1 · 27/02/2019 18:38

As pp have said above, TM is sacrificing the whole bloody country for the Tory Party. Brexit is a clusterfuck of epic proportions and we are running out of time. God knows what will happen next.

drivingmisspotty · 27/02/2019 18:38

I've seen it mentioned on several MN threads about TMay - usually in the vein of she's a poor woman doing the work that the menz won't do.

Maybe she is falling off the glass cliff
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_cliff