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To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 11:33

We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Hmm Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

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bellinisurge · 27/02/2019 14:43

"The backstop isn't necessary. Leaving the EU is more important than the Good Friday agreement, as far as I am concerned. Ireland is part of the EU. It's a foreign country"

@Gth1234 that is the most ignorant load of bollocks I have read on this subject in a long time. A new low in utter shite.

Backwoodsgirl · 27/02/2019 14:43

She is saving herself, the UK will hard Brexit, she will then be able to resign and walk away and say "I tried my best, but MP's worked against me, it's not my fault."

Springwalk · 27/02/2019 14:44

Macron positioning himself to vote against the extension....now that will be interesting!

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 14:44

Cmon then, enlighten us all. Who do you think should be prime minister doing it instead, would do a better job, and more importantly, would be willing to do it, and could get a majority behind them?

No-one should be doing "it" instead, if by "it" you mean trying to get Brexit through. What the Prime Minister should be doing is recognising the reality that the referendum result is a nullity because of the Leave campaign's wholesale flouting of electoral laws and that either the whole idea should be abandoned altogether or there should be a new referendum.

Springwalk · 27/02/2019 14:46

saturday It really is not that simple is it! Ffs

BorisBogtrotter · 27/02/2019 14:46

"Part of the issue is the MPs and their atrocious behaviour especially those Remainers who be.ieve they know best, disputes their constituents voting leave."

What about those MPs that have constituencies that voted remain, like Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Unfortunately you don't understand the way representative democracy works either.

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 14:52

WE might have cross party consensus but how that make a real difference if the EU were completely unwilling to compromise on anything

I never understand this perception that the EU has a duty to compromise and they're being nasty and mean by refusing to do so. Why on earth should they? They aren't responsible for our stupidity. It's like someone giving up their membership of the local golf club because they don't like the fees and the opening hours don't suit them, and then stamping their feet and claiming the club is being totally unreasonable in refusing to compromise and let them pay less and wander in at whatever hours suit them.

SunnyTikka · 27/02/2019 14:54

I do think she was handed a poisoned chalice, but even so I cannot stand her. I will never forgive her for how terrible she was about our police forces when she was Home Secretary.

Alsohuman · 27/02/2019 14:55

@Saturdaynext, precisely. Why would the EU do anything to facilitate this lunacy? They don’t want us to leave - it’s ridiculous to expect them to bend over backwards to make it easy.

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 14:57

I know perfectly well it's not "that simple" Springwalk, surely that's obvious? However, it is and was a perfectly logical decision to take, and certainly more logical than anything May is currently doing.

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 14:57

shes a divisive leader- and the country ismore divided than ever because of her.

instead of stupid meaningless rhetoric, she should have got cross party consensus. of course she bloody should have had plans before triggering article 50-
lets not pretend shes had no options. she has and shes consistently chosen the worst, most harmful one.

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 14:57

I'd imagine not having children is a huge negative for her, no one from across the generations to talk to her nor has she learned to compromise like most parents have to with their kids

I think that is very unfair on TMay (God did I actually say that?) and on childless people in general.

She's gone bonkers but it's nothing to do with her inability to have children. As evidence, I submit Andrea "as a mother" Leadsom.

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SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 15:00

If they thought about what the country had voted for, rather than their own personal thoughts then we would not be in thi# mess

The point is that no-one really knows what the country voted for. Quite apart from the fact that only 37% of the electorate voted Leave, voters weren't given the facts and, in particular, they were never asked whether they would accept a No Deal scenario with all the consequences of that fully spelt out. And when you get people like Gth seriously saying that we should put two fingers up to Northern Ireland, you have to wonder about the brainpower of a number of voters anyway.

Motheroffourdragons · 27/02/2019 15:01

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willywillywillywilly · 27/02/2019 15:04

I'd imagine not having children is a huge negative for her, no one from across the generations to talk to her nor has she learned to compromise like most parents have to with their kids

Hmm what a load of shite

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 15:06

I do wonder whether Ken Clarke did us any favours in calling her a bloody difficult woman. She seems to take it as some sort of badge of honour, and she clings onto it like grim death as if it's somehow big and clever. You get the feeling that she tells herself that being a bloody difficult woman got her elected, got her the Home Secretary gig, and got her the Prime Minister job, and therefore being bloody difficult will work like magic in the EU and get her everything she wants in terms of Brexit. The EU have made it absolutely clear, time and time again, that they have their own red lines which she isn't going to cross, no matter how bloody difficult she tries to be, but she just won't admit that to herself or anyone else.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 27/02/2019 15:06

I think half the country lost the plot 2 years ago. TM just picked up the poison chalice.

CloudPop · 27/02/2019 15:07

@BrinkPink Yes that's it exactly. We want all the bits we like, nine if the bits we don't like, and if you don't immediately agree to that you're being difficult

Jaxhog · 27/02/2019 15:10

I agree that she's making a hash of it. But there isn't anyone in any party who could have done better. Even the parties in an acrimonious divorce have experienced lawyers and fairly clear laws to guide them. She has none of these. She's trying to negotiate a deal that will change our future hugely for decades to come. But the other party i.e. the E.U. is a misogynist bunch who don't want us to leave. And we can't agree even in broad terms what we actually want. I'm fairly astonished that she's achieved as much as she has.

To have given people a vote for Brexit without making it clear what this would mean was absolute madness. There IS no one view of what we wanted to be left with. 'Leaving the EU' may sound like a straightforward request, but it absolutely isn't!

Alsohuman · 27/02/2019 15:12

Astonished she’s achieved as much as she has? She’s achieved nothing but chaos

bongsuhan · 27/02/2019 15:16

To have given people a vote for Brexit without making it clear what this would mean was absolute madness. There IS no one view of what we wanted to be left with. 'Leaving the EU' may sound like a straightforward request, but it absolutely isn't!

This is exactly what TM got wrong. It absolutely isn't straightforward, but TM pretended it was and, from the get go, went off with the hardest possible brexit in mind with no attempt at discussion or on-boarding of remainers.

BorisBogtrotter · 27/02/2019 15:16

"But the other party i.e. the E.U. is a misogynist bunch who don't want us to leave"

Evidence?

The issue that people really have with the EU is that the EU is not prepared to give the UK a better deal than EU members.

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/02/2019 15:21

JRMisOdious
😁 good username. I was looking at it from the perspective that Farage would know he was being slowly boiled and unable to escape. I wonder if there’s room for a few more!

I was wondering if you were doing a rap in my honour there. Wink

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 15:43

This is exactly what TM got wrong. It absolutely isn't straightforward, but TM pretended it was and, from the get go, went off with the hardest possible brexit in mind with no attempt at discussion or on-boarding of remainers

absolutely.

a donkey could have achieved what she has. shes put us in an even more ridiculous state than where she started- i suppose thats an achievement. Confused

BackInTime · 27/02/2019 16:08

I certainly think that she has lost the plot and that her stubbornness and singlemindedness has really got the better of her. I also think that her DH has a big influence and is probably the only person she confides in which makes me wonder what sort of character he is.

TM has had opportunities to call a halt to this mess - the referendum was advisory, the result was marginal, triggering Art 50, fraud by the Leave campaign, WA voted down, companies leaving the UK, warnings from businesses leaders, warnings from retailers. At any one of these points she could have seized the opportunity to press pause, reconsider and revoke.