To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

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We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

Where is that graphic from Quintilla? It's very good.

Motheroffourdragons - spot on!

TM has an impossible job. Everyone is against her, whatever she does. Who the hell would vote for Corbyn?? Totally the most useless opposition leader - Ever!

What we also have to consider is, if there is a GE soon most of the voters have no idea who to vote for. The Tories nor Labour deserve to be in Government. Whether we like it or not over half of UK voted to leave. They will not settle for remain. Therefore over half the country will vote for the party who will deliver Brexit. Therefore it is likely that Farage's new party will win a GE. Wouldn't that be fucking great! 😵

OhYouBadBadKitten I found it on a Huffington Post article but it originated from the European Commission

ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/slide_presented_by_barnier_at_euco_15-12-2017.pdf

@Quintella - nice diagram. The only problem with it is that it doesn't include the constraints imposed by the GFA. It they are included, you end up with a set of irreconcilable "red lines".

The strongest pro leavers in the Govt are wealthy and unlikely to be adversely financially affected by Brexit. The workers who voted leave had been brainwashed for decades by the tabloids (owned by right wing rich) to blame all their problems on the EU.
Maybot is a hostage to her wealthy right wing “friends” who rejockeying for power. We haven’t heard much from BJ lately because the last thing he wants is to replace Maybot while we are still in this mess. Let others take the blame, do the dirty work and then he’ll shoulder them aside to try to take the leadership. Ditto Rees Mogg who has shares in companies fleeing the UK pre Brexit.
I think if Maybot died suddenly the Tories would embalm her and tote her round like a puppet, denying she’s not still alive . On the other hand, are they doing that now? She’s not telling us anything new

Quite apart from the civil war, every single person in NI is or has the right to be a UK citizen. You do NOT get the chance to go 'oh, sorry, it doesn't really suit us now, could you bob off kindly?'

Imagine doing that with Cumbria. 'Nah, it doesn't really suit us to have you now, so you're not part of the UK anymore. Byeeeeee!'

Obviously not because it doesn't work like that!

She will be negotiating a Brexit extension. The MPs vote will be as late as possible so politically she can say it's the MPs not me guv and we'll have to extend Brexit.

But she is doing it all by herself

You can't really think this? She has a huge team of civil servants negotiating it. Who would be the same civil servants who negotiated it whomever was in power. She is was not even the lead netiator until very recently, ie when she agreed to change thr back stop, which if anyone looks at it, is actually harmless..

I'm really not a fan of kicking the only person willing to do this. No one else is. And starting threads being offensive about the person doing the dirtiest and toughest job this country has ever faced, a total lose lose, and is the only person willing to do it, and who does it whilst everyone else attacks, for me is fairly shitty .

Oh, God. Theresa's the heroine now. Stepping up when no one else will. Give me strength.

@BlueSlipperSocks, Half the UK didn’t vote for Brexit at all. Just over half of those who could be arsed to vote did. A lot of the population just sat on their hands.

I can't understand why anyone would actually want the job of being PM at the moment anyway.

Brexit is a shit show which should never have had to happen in the first place. As many leave voters may have envisaged it (if they indeed tried to envisage anything at all) it is undeliverable because we need to avoid ending up with a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. There are plenty of other reasons too, but that is an obvious one.

TM is a poor negotiator, in a nearly impossible situation. She is also a type 1 diabetic. Can she really be having sufficient time to control her glucose levels at the moment. She might well be becoming ill.

I have sympathy for her for her diabetes. I am a type 2 diabetic myself. I have no sympathy at all with her stupid red lines and dogged adherence to Conservative Party lines when Brexit really needed someone who would gather as much cross party support as possible.

Above all, I have no sympathy with Brexteers and leave voters. At least TM was a remain voter.

She should have had a cross party Brexit committee from the start. It's clear to anyone with eyes in their head that the Tory party is and has been her main concern. The country's welfare comes far behind that. She is purposely bringing the country to the brink and there's nothing admirable in that.

I'm not her biggest fan but if it were me, and I'm her age, I'd have said F....you lot, I'm off

God - if only she would do that! Her age is irrelevant - plenty of competent people of her age and older in positions of authority. If her T1 diabetes is affecting her ability to do the job she should do the decent thing and take sick leave or resign.

And I wish people would stop going on about her being handed a poisoned chalice. She's a ruthlessly ambitious MP who grabbed the opportunity to be PM and has held onto it with the tenacity of a barnacle.

She is the bonkers barnacle PM who is destroying our wonderful country.

Quintella, precisely that, and better put than I did.

ERG and JRM are likely to vote for the WA just to get out, DUP will walk away from the government as promised, the government will collapse and TM will be removed.
A GE is becoming the most likely scenario now. I can't see any other possible outcome.
It is going to hit the fan sometime, all is too quiet on the leave front.....scarily very quiet, and I don't think it is because they have given up....

I despair, I really do. You clearly know nothing about Northern Ireland. And to prioritise Brexit over an international peace treaty which has saved thousands of lives (and which the UK is supposed to be protecting) is shameful. I actually think you're on a wind up

This. The GFA is predicated on both the UK and Ireland being in the EU. The referendum should never have taken place, for this reason alone. Cameron was either badly advised, or ignored the advice, or potentially both.

No, you are not being the least unreasonable. I’d only argue that she’s most certainly not the only one in the HoC.
If you don’t already take it, heartily recommend Private Eye, you’ll probably enjoy the Headmistress’s newsletter.
If you don’t laugh, you’ll cry (wail, bang your head against the wall, rock in the corner ....)

I agree quintella it was a major monumental mistake.

To her credit Nicky Morgan and others came up with the Malthouse agreement, that appears to have cross party support, but TM is not interested in even presenting it as a way forward....

What does that tell you?

Given her track record as home secretary it really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that she is fucking it up as PM.

........she triggered article 50 before she had a clue what to do....

along with an overwhelming number of MPs (498 v 114)

A sensible PM would have got the plan for leaving together before triggering article 50

Any sensible MP should not have voted overwhelmingly to trigger a50 without a plan in place but they did.

Apart from a tiny minority every MP has to also take responsibility for the mess we are in but they aren't, they are all too busy passing the buck.

Absolutely @Quintella.

And therein lies the problem, according to all her ministers and senior civil servants she won’t listen to anyone who disagrees with her, no matter how constructively. Who do you think instructs that army of civil servants? And why have more than one Brexit secretaries resigned?

as far as I am concerned Farage should be boiled in oil

Yes, slowly. Wasn’t there an Indiana Jones movie, where Jones and some other characters were being cooked in a gigantic pot??

For the future relationship negotiations, we will need a cross party team. It's the only way to avoid even more divisions, maybe bring in a more moderate approach.

Yes another referendum would be just as democratic as the first one - except more so since we have some more facts on the table.

We don't refuse to have repeated general elections because we voted a particular way once and therefore we have to stick to that or otherwise it's "betraying democracy"

If we'd had a decent opposition with a proper vocal figurehead, they could be making these points to the public and being heard. Corbyn is the icing on the cake in making this particular shitshow so disastrous.