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To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

278 replies

EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 11:33

We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Hmm Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

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The80sweregreat · 27/02/2019 13:52

I wished that Corbyn would just do the decent thing and walk off in the direction of his allotment and stay there. The veggies need him, we don't.
I would never vote Tory in a month of sundays, but voting labour is also a challenge whilst him and his shadow chancellor is in charge ( he is even more scary than he is) The lib dems are a possible, but their time in the sun went years ago.
I am one of the ' politically homeless'!

Alsohuman · 27/02/2019 13:55

@Bluntness, none of the parties have got a majority to get behind anyone. May threw the Tories’ majority away.

doIreallyneedto · 27/02/2019 14:01

@Springwalk - That is not to say the cross party committee would have had greater success in the EU though. WE might have cross party consensus but how that make a real difference if the EU were completely unwilling to compromise on anything.

The EU have bent over backwards to facilitate the UK, given the constraints under which the negotiations must work.

1). The 4 pillars come as a package deal. If you want one, you take all. If you don't want all, you get none.
2). Protection of a member state who has signed up to an internationally binding agreement and who want it adhered to by all parties.

Sakura7 · 27/02/2019 14:02

Bluntness - She has surrounded herself with Brexiters and refuses to listen to other viewpoints.

A rational Conservative who is willing to reach across the floor to build consensus would be good.

KurriKurri · 27/02/2019 14:03

EthelFechan - I didn't think I was going on about her being handed a poisoned chalice - I said it was going to be a poisoned chalice whoever grabbed it, (and I do think that it was always going to be a hell of a tricky task to get something that everyone would be happy with - given that the original vote was so close you are always going to have nearly half of the people against the whole thing, and of those that voted for brexit there will be a wide span of views on how it should be done)

I totally agree she grabbed it greedily with both hands - she is a very ambitious woman and very single minded when it comes to getting her way. She got the leadership of the Tory party unnapposed because Gove and Boris ran away, she was a disaster as a Home Sec - can't imagine why anyone thought she'd be any better as PM. Certainly I think almost anyone could have made a better job of it than her - but I still think it was always going to be a series of unsatisfactory compromises and everyone feeling they had lost in some way.

She's definitely getting that wild eyed Thatcher look about her and I hate to think what is going to happen to us when we leave the EU. I actually find the idea of breaking from Europe incredibly sad.

hedgeharris · 27/02/2019 14:14

i'm not sure a GE will decide anything - Corbyn is a very reluctant second referendum person - do you trust him to deal with the result? Plenty of people want a second referendum but don't want Corbyn at the helm...personally I'm hoping the independent group run a lot of candidates for a second referendum so that they can be in coalition with labour or other parties to make sure we get a better cross party approach.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 14:16

Fartage who wouldn't vote again to in a Peoples Vote? Yeah, very charismatic that one. Almost as if he realises it won't ever work...

Although I did see his face on a packet of cigarettes the other day which made me consider kicking the habit. He might have a new career there.

serenoa · 27/02/2019 14:16

To understand why the backstop is so important, read this:

Belfast Agreement

It's a 35-page PDF file.

colouringinpro · 27/02/2019 14:18

YADNBU.

She looks like she needs to go and lie down in a dark room for a decade.

Corbyn needs to f**k off down to his allotment and give Labour a Chance of being an effective opposition party.

The whole situation is a total clusterf**k and most people I know have simply put their head in the sand. I'm finding the prospect of no-deal terrifying.

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 14:18

I hope not Rubadublin - her mother died in the 1980's.

Grin

its a crap job but shes doing a crap job too.

RockyFlintstone · 27/02/2019 14:21

Sorry, but

I hope not Rubadublin - her mother died in the 1980's.

had me crying with laughter just now!

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 14:23

Given her track record as home secretary it really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that she is fucking it up as PM

it shouldnt have come as a surprise but then you remember that millions of people still seem to think jacob rees mogg, johnson, davis, farage, lawson and dyson have the best interests of the average person at heart. Grin

cognitive dissonance is strong at the moment.

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 14:26

EU leaders do seem to have been politely trying to signal to us that there is a distinct problem in terms of her mental equilibrium, e.g. that statement that asking for a postponement would be the rational thing to do at the point where she was saying she was never never never going to ask for that.

There's an interesting article by Matthew Parris in The Times which clearly backs that up - www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theresa-may-has-turned-conservative-discord-into-aschism-0btbdk80q - and it's worth bearing in mind that he's a Conservative. This bit in particular is very revealing:

As to the Conservative Party, I am beginning to change my view of the big problem. I’ve always said it was the referendum result; and joked that although Theresa May obviously isn’t any good, the Archangel Gabriel could not have salvaged much improvement on the awful deal she’s hawking to her scared and exhausted Tory troops.

But as the months have ground on I’ve been at first shocked but finally persuaded that not Brexit alone, but also she personally, is the problem.

Time and again I’ve protested that she may not be the answer but she didn’t create this mess: she’s just an unimaginative, unremarkable, perhaps wooden but dogged politician, overly cautious and rather shy. Time and again my informants — MPs, former MPs, civil servants, special advisers — tell me, eyes flashing, that I’ve got it wrong and the public have it wrong, and she’s so much worse than that. She’s not normal. She’s extraordinary. Extraordinarily uncommunicative; extraordinarily rude in the way she blanks people, ideas and arguments. To my surprise there is no difference between the pictures of her that Remainers and Brexiteers paint.

Theresa May, they tell me (in a couple of cases actually shouting) is the Death Star of modern British politics. She’s the theory of anti-matter, made flesh. She’s a political black hole because nothing, not even light, can escape. Ideas, beliefs, suggestions, objections, inquiries, proposals, projects, loyalties, affections, trust, whole careers, real men and women, are sucked into the awful void that is Downing Street — and nothing ever comes out: no answers, only a blank so blank that it screams. Reputations (they lament) are staked on her, and lost. Warnings are delivered to her, and ignored. Plans are run by her, unacknowledged. Messages are sent to her, unanswered. She has become the unperson of Downing Street: the living embodiment of the closed door.

And I am, finally, persuaded. Persuaded that Theresa May has not simply failed to unite two wings of my party, but that her premiership has driven them apart, into anger and despair; helped to turn a disagreement into a schism. Before healing becomes possible (one told me) she, and all who wait upon her and have surrounded her, must be hounded out of the party’s cockpit, and every trace of the era of her leadership expunged. Another, careless of the proprieties, told me the political massacre should be on a Rwandan scale. For the first time I understood the passion, if not the logic, behind the self-defeating challenge to her leadership the Brexiteers mounted last December.

jasjas1973 · 27/02/2019 14:28

May is all most posters have said she is but she cannot operate in a vacuum.
We have cabinet Govt in this country and she obv has the support of the Govt in all she does, so if she is mad, are they all crazy??? lol!

I'd imagine not having children is a huge negative for her, no one from across the generations to talk to her nor has she learned to compromise like most parents have to with their kids.

Aside - i do love Brexitiers blaming May instead of their decision - leaving the EU inside 2 years, after 45 years of very close cooperation and with the GFA to consider was never going to happen unless we'd gone to a EFTA + CU agreement ie BINO.

The80sweregreat · 27/02/2019 14:31

You think she may have learned a few lessons after the disaster of a general election and having to sack her advisers. Seems that she didn't learn a thing - that article above is very revealing.

Missbel · 27/02/2019 14:34

YANBU in the least little bit. DD (who is v. good at reading people)says that TM is absolutely determined that she and she alone is going to be the PM who delivered Brexit. I wouldn't trust her to deliver a Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh, hang on, that's the people who are going to deliver medicines in the event of No Deal...

BrinkPink · 27/02/2019 14:34

I can't understand people who blame the EU for the failure of the negotiations. What are they supposed to do about the UK shooting itself in the foot and then expecting some kind of miraculous deal where we get all the benefits and none of the downsides?

UK: Fuck you, we're leaving!
EU: OK don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
UK: Waaaahh, we still want trade deals, frictionless transit and special treatment in general! But not to have to pay any money or have you nasty foreign types allowed free entry.
EU: Errrrrr no.
UK: Waaaah waaaah the EU are being difficult! Hmm

Chloemol · 27/02/2019 14:35

Part of the issue is the MPs and their atrocious behaviour especially those Remainers who be.ieve they know best, disputes their constituents voting leave. If they thought about what the country had voted for, rather than their own personal thoughts then we would not be in thi# mess

SaturdayNext · 27/02/2019 14:35

For all that people say she's in an impossible position, she could have rescued it a long time ago by making a rational decision that there is so much evidence around criminal conduct in the Leave campaign that the referendum decision cannot be regarded as reliable and cannot be allowed to stand. Had it been a government or local election, indeed, it would have been nullified; the only reason it hasn't is that it was a purely advisory referendum.

One of the many mysteries is why she chooses to treat the referendum decision as some sort of holy writ, when it very clearly wasn't. You have to wonder whether the reality isn't that she was a closet leaver all along.

LizzieSiddal · 27/02/2019 14:36

We also need to remember she was Home Secretary for years. The Windrush scandal and dreadful way this country now think of Immigrants, is largely down to her. Remember the “Go home” adverts on the side of a van being driven around London?

She’s nasty.

Helmetbymidnight · 27/02/2019 14:37

If they thought about what the country had voted for, rather than their own personal thoughts then we would not be in thi# mess

brilliant.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 27/02/2019 14:39

YABVU. She never had the plot to lose. HmmWinkGrin

Alsohuman · 27/02/2019 14:41

As an aside, the most unforgivable thing she did, among oh so many, was send Amber Rudd to Cambridge to debate with Corbyn in the GE election campaign TWO days after Rudd’s father died. Shockingly cruel and because she hadn’t got the guts to go. She also made her the fall guy for the Windrush scandal she herself created.

stillpinching · 27/02/2019 14:42

I'm really not a fan of kicking the only person willing to do this. No one else is. And starting threads being offensive about the person doing the dirtiest and toughest job this country has ever faced, a total lose lose, and is the only person willing to do it, and who does it whilst everyone else attacks, for me is fairly shitty

Other (worse imo, but still) people were willing to do it - she won a leadership contest and there were other contenders. Why do people keep spouting this bollocks? I'm sure there are plenty of people (Umuna, Soubry, Grieves, Cooper defo) who would be more than happy to be in her position now, but they can't just tell her to stand aside - it doesn't work like that.

And what she is doing is the shittiest thing I have ever seen someone do. She is stubbornly keeping on with a course she knows full well will make the vast majority of people in this country worse off, including the most vulnerable, because she values party over country every fucking tine. She is the shittiest shitter ever, and however tired and stressed she is now is going to be nothing compared to the millions who could face food shortages, medicinal shortages and other NHS problems, a massive squeeze on their incomes and more, for years to come. Because of her monumental selfishness and incompetence. She's a fucking disgrace and I couldn't care less how bad she feels. She has proved time and again that she doesn't give a flying shit about the majority of the people she is paid to serve. She will retreat to her wealth just as the effects of her actions start to be felt by the rest of us. Boo fucking hoo.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/02/2019 14:42

Part of the issue is the MPs and their atrocious behaviour especially those Remainers who be.ieve they know best, disputes their constituents voting leave. If they thought about what the country had voted for, rather than their own personal thoughts then we would not be in thi# mess

Astounding. I assume you haven't seen the Government's own impact statement? It confirms remainers were not talking rubbish, experts did know what they were talking about and that food will be scarce and our economy down 9% in 15 years time. And that's the version the public are being allowed to see!

At what point are leavers going to recognise that when everyone bar them is stopping short of the cliff we remainers feel we have a public duty to try to stop them. Clearly it doesn't work both ways - Mogg saying it will be 50 years until we see any benefit will be fine but he doesn't give a toss about anyone who won't be.