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To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?

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EthelFechan · 27/02/2019 11:33

We're supposed to be leaving next month.
Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The EU has said there will be no further negotiation on it - so what exactly is TMay discussing with them as she charges around Europe like a dementor?

There's going to be another Meaningful Hmm Vote in two weeks but how can she offer anything new if EU say they won't alter the backstop?

She looks unwell and on edge and please don't anyone say they feel sorry for her - she wanted the job and she's made a total mess of it and I don't see how she can sort it out because she's too stubborn and too vindictive. And incompetent.

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caringcarer · 27/02/2019 12:45

She is not up to the very difficult job and the MP's in the commons are trying to thwart her at every turn. Really her best option is to try to get a three month extension and resign and allow a new PM to call a GE.

The main problem seems to be the UK overall voted to leave with most of Scotland and London wanting to Remain, but parliament are dead set on Remaining. If there was a GE I believe a lot of MP's would lose their seats for not following the dictate of their local constituency.

May has done her best, but her best is just not good enough. She surrounded herself with Remainer's and allowed an un-elected civil servant to lead negotiations ahead of her Brexit secretary, who was given roll in name only. She also appointed a useless chancellor who's favourite word is austerity.

hedgeharris · 27/02/2019 12:47

one thing that does worry me is that if we have a second referendum and there's a vote for 'no brexit', will it kill off the issue? The brexiteers could legitimately argue another referendum is needed with a better plan...

it's a guagmire.

doIreallyneedto · 27/02/2019 12:49

@HollowTalk - Ummm NI isn't part of GB.

Correct. As I stated in my post, NI is part of the UK.

Quintella · 27/02/2019 12:51

allowed an un-elected civil servant to lead negotiations ahead of her Brexit secretary, who was given roll in name only.

Give me the unelected Robbins any day over those elected non-experts like David Davis who've done SUCH a stellar job.

downcasteyes · 27/02/2019 12:51

I think she made a serious mistake when she started out by drawing red lines all over the bloody place.

The whole situation is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. I can only see pretty bad, very bad, and epically bad solutions.

user1471426142 · 27/02/2019 12:52

Also article 50 should never have been triggered when it was. 2 years was never going to be realistic. Ken Clarke was the only conservative MP who went against the whip then and he was heavily critised for voting against triggering.

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/jan/31/ken-clarke-tories-are-eurosceptic-and-mildly-anti-immigrant-video

twofingerstoEverything · 27/02/2019 12:53

It needed a leader to enthuse the population, to build on the 17M, to convert us all to leavers...
The Tories should have brought Nigel Farage inside the tent after the referendum.
And how would that racist, lying wanker have 'converted us all to leavers'?
One thing I do believe is that no attempt has ever been made to 'convert' us (remainers) to the cause. The way to do this would have been by presenting evidence-based facts to persuade us that the UK would be a better, more equitable and prosperous place after Brexit. Instead, we were called 'traitors', 'enemies of the people' and offered slogans like 'Brexit means Brexit'. Fuck that.

doIreallyneedto · 27/02/2019 12:54

Sorry @HollowTalk. I just realised you were responding to a different comment that I hadn't spotted.

caringcarer · 27/02/2019 12:59

Davis and Raab both quit becasue they were not allowed to negotiate with Barnier. So this mess is down to Olly Robbins who May insists does all negotiating. Lets not forget he was overheard blabbling off in a bar.

BrinkPink · 27/02/2019 12:59

Argh I said Britain sorry, I mean UK.

It can be confusing as NI people can have British citizenship / British nationality and may speak and think of themselves as British, although they're not part of GB the island.

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/02/2019 13:00

Some of these comments. Would lmao if this shit storm weren’t so bloody serious. Where are all the decent politicians? It seems there have been none around of any merit with any kind of influence for quite some time. The vote was never necessary and was all about the Tory party. And still is.

Quintella · 27/02/2019 13:01

Davis and Raab both quit becasue they were not allowed to negotiate with Barnier. So this mess is down to Olly Robbins

The delusion is strong in this one.

ShowMeTheKittens · 27/02/2019 13:02

Very scary lack of command at the top.She is clearly a stupid obstinate fool.
I don't think any of us expected her to be so utterly fecking useless.
I am totally horrified at the lot of them, including the so called Independent Ones, they are all so lame and self serving, there is so much bad mouthing and lies... can we start again? Maybe voters could read some facts this time; not gain all their political information from Facebook and tabloids.
But this won't happen.
God knows what will happen. All the world leaders seem to be raving mad.

ShowMeTheKittens · 27/02/2019 13:03

PS. as far as I am concerned Farage should be boiled in oil

BlueSlipperSocks · 27/02/2019 13:03

If May were to walk away (I wouldn't blame her if she did. She has an impossible, thankless task) which of the other useless tory bastards would be queuing up to take the poisoned challis off her hands? I wonder.... 🤔

Can those who, repeatedly, scorn TM's efforts say who they would prefer to take over the role of Brexit, bearing in mind just over half of the UK voted to leave EU so the views of the majority of the people has to be considered.

CoperCabana · 27/02/2019 13:03

She seems more crazed than normal at PMQs today.

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ADropofReality · 27/02/2019 13:04

Theresa May's withdrawal agreement was voted down in Parliament and she didn't even have the good grace to be in the Commons for the results of the latest votes on amendments.

The withdrawal agreement was voted down by the combination of three different groups:

  1. The Rees-Mogg types who don't want a deal at all, they want Britain to crash out with no-deal
  2. Most of the Labour Party plus the Ken Clarkes who don't want Britain to leave the EU
  3. The people like Corbyn and McDonnell who were taught back in the 70s that the EU was a capitalist plot; they want Britain out but can't say so because the base of the Labour Party is Remain; but at any rate they don't really care about the EU, they think if they defeat the Government (on this or on any other issue) they'll become the new Government.

Now all of these three groups voted against the deal for very different and indeed contradictory reasons. It's not irrational of May to think she can get the deal through by being able to convince one of the first two groups to back her.

The question would be whether she tries to convince Rees-Mogg & Co it's either her deal or Remain, because the Commons will never allow no-deal; or whether she convinces Ken Clarke & Co it's either her deal or no-deal, because either the EU or the Conservative Parliamentary Party will not allow an indefinite extension of Article 50.

FilthyforFirth · 27/02/2019 13:10

TMs primary and only concern is keeping the Tory party together. She literally does not give a shit about anything else. History will rightly judge her as the worst PM ever. I loathe the woman with every fibre of my being.

BrinkPink · 27/02/2019 13:10

A big part of the problem is that there is no good deal. Well there is one, it's called being in the EU. The whole reason it formed was to give its members the better deal that being part of a club and customs union confers.

Any attempt to come out, with or without a deal, will upset people as they see that it involves losing out in various ways. But Brexiteers will tend to blame the government because they fetishize "independence" and "British sovereignty" as if these things must be inherently good news.

I'm not saying the govt or TM are doing a good job - it's an almighty fuck up. But no one could have done an actual good job that would make everyone happy.

Springwalk · 27/02/2019 13:12

I am just horrified to watch what has become a freak show.

She looks nervous and unstable, and very much like she is reading from a script that she has been given, rather than being the creator and leader of the narrative.

The government looks like it is teetering on the edge, and Labour looks no different. I am genuinely wondering when someone is going to give her the P45 and say enough really is enough.

BorisBogtrotter · 27/02/2019 13:13

Isn't the problem that any time we get close to a deal, it destroys the myths pedaled by the leave campaign of what leave would look like?

The more real it becomes the angrier people will be.

What leave promised was never achievable.

Quintella · 27/02/2019 13:14

But no one could have done an actual good job that would make everyone happy.

No but there were many options that the majority could have got behind if only May's own red lines hadn't immediately ruled them out.

To think our Prime Minister has lost the plot and is now completely bonkers?
OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/02/2019 13:15

I think she's playing some sort of game of chess, but constantly at the point of being check-mated by about three different groups.

The main stance that appears totally irrational to me is the idea that a people's vote is a betrayal. When of course it isn't. Why would allowing people to have a say now that it's clear that they've reached total impasse. If they can't find a way forward they need an arbitrator to break the dead lock and that's us.

I'm not sure I trust us to be a good arbitrator, but who else is there?

TheresACatInMyLaundryBasket · 27/02/2019 13:15

The backstop isn't necessary. Leaving the EU is more important than the Good Friday agreement, as far as I am concerned. Ireland is part of the EU. It's a foreign country.

Dear goodness, the ignorance is shocking. You do realise that people in Northern Ireland were being killed in a civil war? And that the GFA was signed not even 30 years ago?

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