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Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

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waxahatchee · 26/02/2019 18:54

If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

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lemonface · 26/02/2019 21:44

My friend gets her son to dance around in his MJ hat to 'Bad' and I feel like vomiting

LadyDeadpool · 26/02/2019 21:45

This reddit post is an excellent explanation on why he was most likely a paedophile with comprehensive links to evidence.
www.removeddit.com/r/unresolvedmysteries/comments/aoz4f2?sort=confidence

southeastdweller · 26/02/2019 21:50

The young boy who was paid millions to stop the law suit told the court exactly what Jacksons penis looked like and considering he had vitiligo it wouldn't have been easy to guess.

From Wikipedia: the grand jury felt there was no clear match with Jordan's description.

limitedperiodonly · 26/02/2019 21:50

It's funny how we support women who are abused with #webelieveyou but young boys are to be ignored because they are accusing a famous person people liked

Who is not believing male victims of sexual abuse LadyDeadpool?

Babdoc · 26/02/2019 21:51

I think we maybe need to separate the artiste from the music. Many old master painters were shits in their private lives, but their art was sublime. If we banned the artistic output of every abusive man, there wouldn’t be much left.
MJ may or may not be a child rapist, but his music is loved by millions. Rolf Harris is a convicted paedophile, but he undeniably had an artistic talent and has exhibited at the National Gallery. Should we burn his paintings, including his portrait of the queen?
Innumerable rock stars shagged underage groupies - it was almost compulsory in the 60’s and 70’s. Should all their music also be banned?
I do not for one moment defend child abuse or the perpetrators thereof, but surely we can keep their artistic output separate and still enjoy it?

BartonHollow · 26/02/2019 21:56

I work with someone who falls in this category a Superfan. We are all a bit Biscuit behind their back about that like "you Just can't broach the subject" but they are an otherwise kind and loving person who is good at their job

I understand to a degree that someone doesn't want to come to final acceptance that the object of their decades of idolatry was a predator

LadyDeadpool · 26/02/2019 22:02

limitedperiodonly FrostedSnowdrops , JazzyBBG, Walkingdeadfangirl , Percheron67 and many others on this thread.

"From Wikipedia: the grand jury felt there was no clear match with Jordan's description."

From court documents 1 imgur.com/AfNC6Nh and 2https://imgur.com/K0OH8eh Lawyer Thomas Sneddon Jr felt there was an exact match between the drawing by the accuser and the photographs taken of the defendants genitalia.

Excited101 · 26/02/2019 22:05

It’s been deleted Lady

LadyDeadpool · 26/02/2019 22:08

excited if you're talking about the reddit link just give it a second to load it's an archive page from before it was deleted by a Jackson fan moderator.

Weirdwonders · 26/02/2019 22:14

God this post is so fucking banal I can’t even be bothered.

chicaguapa · 26/02/2019 22:15

Babdoc Do you have a link to back up your Rolf Harris statement? He was not convicted of child-related offences.

SpanielEars070 · 26/02/2019 22:18

That makes for some fairly unsavoury reading to say the least........... Sad

BejamNostalgia · 26/02/2019 22:31

I think Jackson, just like Savile, successfully groomed large parts of society with his act.

Coincidentally, my mother grew up in Salford when Savile began his career there including dances for teenagers which she went to. It was well known that at those dances schoolgirls who were considered ‘not nice or respectable girls’ were sexually involved with him and his circle. But in the 60s it was blames much more on the girls involved rather than the male abusers.

Savile was also involved with a local divorced woman who had two daughters. In social terms in those days getting involved with a divorced woman, and a divorced woman having a man staying overnight and visiting her house regularly was really scandalous and not just the divorcee, but also her poor daughters, were socially really quite shunned and seen as not nice people. It wasn’t a wealthy area either, these were poor people.

My Mum thinks he was probably abusing those daughters now, that choosing the divorcee who was on the margins of society and not quite respectable was a deliberate act. She was more likely to feel she was gaining things from him that she couldn’t get elsewhere - fun and moving in trendy circles, respect off trendy people who would overlook her ‘moral failings’, money, presents. It made her more prone to explain away anything at home that didn’t feel right. We would probably say now that she was groomed alongside his daughters.

Anyway, the point of that is, that abusers can and do pick vulnerable families and exploit their weaknesses, particularly the weaknesses of their parents, to let the abuse happen. They are also very clever at picking families who won’t be believed if they do protest. Savile was adept at that and so was Jackson. He was good at picking families with parents who for various reasons, often financial or emotional shortcomings, would be prepared to either look the other way or go into denial about the abuse.

I don’t think you can believe that Jordy Chandler was an isolated mistake. I don’t believe adult men can once accidentally or mistakenly abuse a child and otherwise be sexually normal. I don’t think any man would do what he did to Jordy without being sexually attracted to male children in general. There was too much other stuff, the pictures of children being tortured, animal torture, teams of folders of nude children.

The 80s and 90s weren’t the eras of ‘we believe you’ and #metoo. Frequently in that era child abuse was something seen as best brushed under the carpet or dealt with in the family and even blamed on children. I don’t think the fact children that were groomed by him were prepared to testify in his defence at one point is at all surprising.

I don’t believe he was childlike because he was mentally ill. I’ve never heard of a mental illness that makes an adult man behave like a child. Mental disability, maybe, but Jackson was not a mentally disabled man, he did not have learning difficulties or developmental problems or brain damage. He was able to act very astutely and ably in other areas of his life.

I believe he was very like Saville. I think much of the doubt still exists because he was even more adept than Savile at picking victims who were likely to be disbelieved and effective at smearing them too.

I think the people who still believe he is innocent were extremely effectively groomed by Jackson too.

BejamNostalgia · 26/02/2019 22:40

Who is not believing male victims of sexual abuse LadyDeadpool?

Plenty of people on this thread. I agree with you LadyDeadpool, I also think that many people who probably consider themselves open minded recoil from this sort of thing because the find the element of homosexuality more difficult to understand. We know as a society that young women and girls have been massively sexualised for a very long time. Sexualisation of boys though has been much more problematic in recent history and people are a lot less likely to be able to identify it or process it.

nevernotstruggling · 26/02/2019 22:56

@LadyDeadpool whoah that thread is disturbing!!! The photos and the Sean Lennon music video!!!!!

Graphista · 26/02/2019 22:59

Well it's an enlightening thread in terms of what certain posters are saying.

Personally it disgusts me that his music is still played and I turn off whenever anything of his comes on.

With the recent further evidence (not that I think it was needed) I think radio stations and tv channels need to not be playing his music/videos any more.

I don't actually care what the blinkered fans think as I can't respect anyone that in any way thinks this man was completely innocent. It's clear to anyone with half an ounce of sense that he was dodgy as fuck! And has been for decades!

Areyouongluedear · 26/02/2019 23:05

Because Billy Jean is not his girl, she’s just a girl that claims that he was the one but the kid is not his son.

Also all of MJ’s accusers are lying, as are R Kelly’s victims. Oh and Tupac and Elvis are also alive and living in Mexico by the way.

Lovingbenidorm · 26/02/2019 23:06

We all knew what was going on ffs!
It’s the same with Saville.
As someone said once (I think it was Elvis Costello) “judge the art, not the artist “
I’ve never been a fan of MJ’s music.
What I’m thinking now is wtf were all the parents involved in this thinking?!
If a rich, famous ‘pop star’ asked to have MY 10yr old over for a ‘sleepover ‘ .................
Did he pay people off?
In which case parents/guardians should be prosecuted

BloggersNet · 26/02/2019 23:08

There's also the confusion we often have that if someone is talented, successful or comes across as likeable then they can't possibly do something terrible like child abuse. Or that a paedophile is just a monster and cannot possibly be talented or likeable. Probably why they're able to have access to the children in the first place.

ColeHawlins · 26/02/2019 23:09

I think Jackson, just like Savile, successfully groomed large parts of society with his act.

Spot on.

ColeHawlins · 26/02/2019 23:10
  • What I’m thinking now is wtf were all the parents involved in this thinking?! If a rich, famous ‘pop star’ asked to have MY 10yr old over for a ‘sleepover ‘ ................. Did he pay people off?*

I think he just dazzled people @Lovingbenidorm

Lots of parents just take the path of least resistance in their parenting.

HowlsMovingBungalow · 26/02/2019 23:10

Ah the cult of Jackson fans ...

Paedophile sympathsisers. It is that simple.

Jackson had paedophile literature/books in a safe. Experienced police officers reported that it was usual material for paedophiles that they had investigated.

Jackson sort out young boys (fans) and groomed their families so they allowed their children to spend months away from them ( these groomed children went on jackson concert tours alone with him ).

Who the fuck needs an alarmed bedroom? One that has children in, alone with an adult who abuses them, the alarm alerts the adult when staff enter his 'space'.

Guilty as hell.

PickAChew · 26/02/2019 23:10

The fact that Steve Wright is happy to play earth song is enough to make me detest it.

Was never a fan, anyhow. Hasn't much of the whole Jackson family set up been pretty fucked up, anyhow? I find it all pretty cult like.

PickAChew · 26/02/2019 23:11

Too much anyhow.

Lovingbenidorm · 26/02/2019 23:20

ColeHawlins sadly I think you’re right,
I’d have shoved his ‘dazzle’ so far up his arse his head would have lit up.
What is wrong with people!?!

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