Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

[waxahatchee]

If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

Smooth FM has banned his music

How ridiculous. I've never really heard much of his music, but I watched both parts of that documentary the other day and I've been listening to him ever since. Just watched some of his music videos earlier, I can see why people are diehard fans, he was amazing.

unicornsrule

Lots of people have bad, abusive childhoods, most of them don't grow into abusers themselves. It's never an excuse.

He wasn't all that 'amazing' tbh. Other people wrote most of his songs, Quincy Jones, Rod Temperton, Narada M etc.

Oh now you’re being silly, he’s one of the greatest artists of our time...

I watched it last night and it made me feel ill.Jimmys mother must have had suspicions as she stood outside MJ bedroom door listening.And they moved her further and further away.

@DorothyZbornack your posts make me very uncomfortable.You are making excuses for Mj and its not sitting well.He shared a room and a bed with a child.Even if [and its a big if] nothing happened thats still massively overstepping bounderies.And basically labelling a victim as a liar is in very bad form.

I feel he is innocent he was my idol when younger
Age 10 i bought the bad album
Saw him in concert age 18
Iam now 40
He had an awful childhood
Well no proper childhood

How you felt about his music and public persona when you were a child, has absolutely no bearing on the truth. None. You're indulging in magical thinking about a man who molested little boys.

I did not say he was a ‘great man’. I said he was an amazing artist. Stop with the childish remarks thanks.

Not my remark! I was just quoting your amazing artist!

Is anybody else thinking that the obsessive crotch grabbing "dance moves", shiny codpieces and pelvic thrusting were a bit of a red flag in plain sight?

It struck me last night exactly how odd that all was from someone who "was a child really".

It is such a weird thing to say ´well we will never know´
Of course we know its true.

He built a theme park in his garden, said he liked sleeping with kids, and paid off the ones that he could. He paid one family 22 million. I dont think thats the actions of an innocent man.

There was a case where one parent denied it for their child and got bought a house.

The most compelling reason I have is they could explain markings on his body that weren´t possible to be seen if something hadn't have occurred. (I think I might not be able to say exactly on here)

Its so clear to me.

So we do know and we know Jimmy Saville and theres a few others out there too.

His words.. and the whole world has to answer right now as I tell you once again...

Don't buy the 'man who was just a child' bollocks. I think he used this childlike persona to get close to children and groom.

When he married Lisa Marie, his voice suddenly became deeper and he acted like a typical red blooded man...passionate kissing on a stage infront of a world wide audience? Bit different to the guy who never grew up persona.

He was a fake, a chameleon and a paedophile.

EkektraLOL Sorry that was me who said that about him abusing animals. I think I might have got that bit wrong, so please disregard.

@ColeHawlins I thought exactly the same. I just looked at the photos of him and the boys together and instantly saw a 'couple' as described by the two men.

The description of MJ's MO entirely fits with the psychology of grooming, the intricacies you wouldn't necessarily know had you not been in that situation and you'd be even less likely to be able to 'act' in such a convincing way. If those men are acting they deserve an Oscar. I found it incredibly difficult to watch, absolutely heart breaking. There is no doubt that MJ was himself deeply damaged, that's beyond question. But what he did to those boys is absolutely sickening - leaving them to blame themselves for being 'complicit' in it.

Yep. Full blown paedophile. Deal with it, apologists.

Don't buy the 'man who was just a child' bollocks. I think he used this childlike persona to get close to children and groom.

That's what I mean.

I think he completely screwed with LMP's head too.

But what he did to those boys is absolutely sickening - leaving them to blame themselves for being 'complicit' in it.

Yes, it's master manipulation. All of it.

Disgusting that the apologists are now moving on to "he didn't know it was wrong".

Those who say MJ was a great artist are of course absolutely right, he was. But it makes no sense to use that as evidence that he didn't abuse children. It's neither here nor there and proves nothing. I believe both statements are true. He was a great artist who was also a pedophile.

The fact that he was never found guilty doesn't prove that he didn't abuse the children who shared his bed. (Though their parents are at least complicit in that they allowed their children to share a bed with a stranger.)

I think she was used, so he looked like a normal man with a marriage.

Couldn't look more fake if he tried.

I'm glad the drugged up paedophile is dead. Monster that he was - offering a utter fantasyland to children but forcing a lifetime of nightmares.

JessicaWakefield nice attempt at diversion, but those people you mentioned at 15.02 weren't investigated or charged with any crime (Bill Wyman was investigated, and was lucky not to be charged, but he wasn't really the Rolling Stones, was he)?
There is a difference between gossip, and actual evidence. No sworn statements of witnesses, no cross examinations, no evidence of payoffs, no interviews or photos to place them with the alleged victims, no illegal photos of children with fingerprints over them, no eye witness accounts to place them together, no forensic evidence, no further 'alleged ' victims to show a pattern of illegal behaviour, etc etc. Do I need to go on? This is just some of the evidence against Michael Jackson, no doubt there's much more. He was given every opportunity to clean his act up when he was alive, but no, he just carried on doing the same old shit.

feelingverylazytoday

I’m absolutely not attempting to ‘divert’ anything! The OP mentioned radios playing his music. I intentionally have not commented on the child abuse allegations, because I don’t wish to speculate. I’m a victim of child abuse and my abuser is dead and never held accountable- I and others complained at the time and since his death. Please don’t assume things about me or my intentions ok.

Regarding the two I mentioned, are you seriously just dismissing it as ‘gossip’? These men never hid their relationships. Both of the women involved with Wyman and Bowie have admitted sexual relations at aged 14. Polanski admitted what he did to a 13 year old. Don Johnson’s relationship also completely acknowledged and known. MJ is also not convicted. Again, not making a comment on his guilt or innocence, but raising what I honestly believe are valid comparisons, re the banning of music or art/film of those accused, or in Polanski case convicted, of sexual crimes.

His talent is not a shield, you can be talented and also be a peadophile, the two are not mutually exclusive.

The man who groomed and abused a family member was good looking, charming, successful, had a wide friendship circle, and was also married. Not a dirty old man in a mac.