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Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

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waxahatchee · 26/02/2019 18:54

If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

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ElektraLOL · 07/03/2019 08:33

It's not that he was caught up in a love triangle. When someone repeatedly lies in court (which he either did or he's lying now) you have to wonder what kind of ethics they actually live by.

Snappedandfarted2019 · 07/03/2019 08:34

This video says it all this was the interview with MJ and he’s holding gavins hand and gavin has his head on his shoulder.

ViolaD77 · 07/03/2019 08:36

I'm Not an mj fan at all but wade Robson is a known liar. He went under oath in court defending Michael years ago... hes done so many tributes to him, begged to go to his funeral...Worked with Janet... dated mj's niece for years... It just doesn't add up. His body language etc on that show just looked like he was lieing.

I'm not disputing what the other boy said but wade Robson is an opportunist looking for money because his career has dried up and it dried up because people shunned him because of his dangerous lies,not just about mj

Bugsymalonemumof2 · 07/03/2019 08:36

Elektra I lied throughout criminal proceedings.

Look at the back lash they have received and look at the backlash Christine Ford received in the public hearing over her allegations, I honestly believe knowingly putting yourself into such a vulnerable position where the whole world is judging you and accusing you of lying is terrifying and I can fully understand why they may have lied, it takes a hell of a lot to stand up and admit you were abused.. especially so publically.

I genuinely don't know whether he is innocent or guilty, I just think people are making judgements on grounds they don't really understand and without understanding abuse and how it affects victims and it worries me just how much this will damage victims going forward.

cantbearsed1 · 07/03/2019 08:37

But many adults who were abused as kids defend their abusers for years

Charlequin · 07/03/2019 08:37

But he was groomed, brainwashed even. I'm 27 and it only became 100% clear to me I was abused as a child maybe a year ago. As a result of therapy. If I was asked before then if I was abused I would have denied it. Unless you experience it you don't quite understand what a head fuck abuse is.

Bugsymalonemumof2 · 07/03/2019 08:38

Stockholm syndrome is also a distinct possibility here. (If abuse did happen)

cantbearsed1 · 07/03/2019 08:39

And if MJ really was innocent, why did he pay off some families? If he was innocent, he had no need to do this.

Also, note all the really famous people who never have accusations of child abuse against them. Why does no one lie to try and get money out of them? Maybe because they would never dream of doing anything?

Backseatonthebus · 07/03/2019 08:39

I can completely understand why Wade Robson did not speak out in 2005. Michael Jackson was probably the most famous man in the world at the time. The trial was all over the media. For anyone to actually speak out against him would have taken immense courage. And who knows what threats might have been issued to him?

Add in the fact that Michael Jackson groomed boys until they were desperate to be with him, move in with him even. The boys' emotional attachment to Michael Jackson must have been very complex. Both were devastated when they were 'dropped' by Jackson, despite the relationships being utterly bizarre and unhealthy (whether or not you believe the accusers). That's how confused and distorted things were for these boys. That's a second reason Wade Robson may not have said anything.

Self-blame is common amongst victims of abuse. Maybe that's a third.

BertrandRussell · 07/03/2019 08:42

“I really hadn’t believed he was a paedophile - I thought there may have been some messing around (not excusing it) rather like kids exploring together”

This is one of the most shocking posts I have read on Mumsnet. Not a paedophile but “some messing about”. “like kids exploring together” Shock

ElektraLOL · 07/03/2019 08:46

I can understand why someone would not speak out but he seemed to want to be actively involved in defending him. Maybe MJ was giving him money at that point?

I think that generally, there is no smoke without fire. I also think the parents of these boys enabled this to happen. Personally I would not allow my kids to stay at some celebrities house overnight no matter how famous they were.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/03/2019 08:48

I'm Not an mj fan at all but wade Robson is a known liar. Hardly surprising seeing as he had, at the very least, according to MJs himself, been one of the special kids, had his ideas of right/wrong messed with over an extended period of time.

I thought there may have been some messing around (not excusing it) rather like kids exploring together There we go again, The blind acceptance that MJ was a Truly Special Snowflake and, unlike any other human being in history, should be considered pure and innocient, despite his own words giving the lie to it!

Watch that video, what other man ever born could do that and be considered safe with kids?

Backseatonthebus · 07/03/2019 08:52

Why does it have to be about money Elektra? Have you not read what Bugsy has written in this thread? You don't appear to have any insight into the complex relationships formed with an abuser.

I agree that the parents enabled this to happen, but the responsibility for the actions of an abuser must always sit with the abuser.

cantbearsed1 · 07/03/2019 08:53

This idea that someone has to be a "perfect" victim i.e. no mental health problems, never did anything wrong in their life such as steal or lie, no alcohol or drug issues, no confusion about the details of what happened, and no at no time had denied the abuse - is what lets abusers get away with abuse, every bloody time.

PookieDo · 07/03/2019 08:57

Time and time again this comes back to Wades character and actions.

I think there has to be a point you think: what kind of messed up person would behave like Wade? It is not normal behaviour. You could look at the perspective he never wanted to discredit Michael because he still wanted to be loved by him. He didn’t want to break the bond because it would mean it would become real - that MJ never loved him and used him. By staying close to MJ he got to benefit in his own emotional (and perhaps financial) way that made the abuse tolerable perhaps? The abuse had a purpose. To think like this points to a very disturbed damaged man who has a very warped sense of self and low self worth.

Springwalk · 07/03/2019 08:58

Out of respect for his victims they need to stop playing his music as bare minimum.

I didn't need to see last night's very convincing and sickening documentary (and all the couple shots with MJ and his child victims) to be aware that MJ is a child abuser. His fans need to take a cold long look at themselves if they think any of this is normal. What grown adult man has slumber parties with seven year old children in the first place??!!

The evidence and creditability of his victims was damning.

At least he can't hurt any more children from the grave is all I can say.

ElektraLOL · 07/03/2019 08:58

It's about money because, sadly most of the children in these cases have fame hungry parents who are happy to sell their children.

cantbearsed1 · 07/03/2019 08:59

And I can tell you that few adults who have been sexually and emotionally abused as MJ did to kids, will meet these perfect victim conditions.
I also hate the fact that some kids say they were not abused, is used as proof that other kids were not abused. Few paedophiles abuse every kid they spend time with. Does not mean they did not abuse some kids though.

nannybeach · 07/03/2019 09:00

Also watched the interview with Mark Lester, who was in MJ inner circle for many years, both were God parents to each others children, and says he nothing to make he suspect any sexual abuse.

ElektraLOL · 07/03/2019 09:01

'i agree that the parents enabled this to happen, but the responsibility for the actions of an abuser must always sit with the abuser.'

Yes, absolutely. And I've not said I don't believe Bugsy.

Springwalk · 07/03/2019 09:01

The documentary for those that haven't seen it will leave you in very little doubt, even if you discard every single word of the victims, you can still clearly see from the photos, recorded telephone conversations, footage and all the circumstantial evidence that something very very disturbing and unthinkable was taking place in plain sight.

cantbearsed1 · 07/03/2019 09:03

nannybeach So what? That is the same with any paedophile. There are always adults close to them who had no idea.

Springwalk · 07/03/2019 09:04

“I really hadn’t believed he was a paedophile - I thought there may have been some messing around (not excusing it) rather like kids exploring together”

Except it wasn't kids together. It was grown man abusing a child.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/03/2019 09:06

Also watched the interview with Mark Lester, who was in MJ inner circle for many years, both were God parents to each others children, and says he nothing to make he suspect any sexual abuse.

You may have missed something there.. Mark Lester claims he is probably the father of one, or three, of MJs kids!

Aeroflotgirl · 07/03/2019 09:07

Looking at the documentary, the over intimate body language of MJ with those boys, and his inappropriate language is very telling. Years ago the maid tried to speak out about what she saw, was warned by MJ that if she did, she would be 6ft under. It is unbelievable that the parents of these boys allowed their children to stay with a strange man all that time, because that was who he was.

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