Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

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If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

It's depressing that anyone would think this man is not a paedophile.

Just because he didn't abuse all the boys doesn't mean he didn't abuse some of them.

Sorry wrong thread, have asked for it to be deleted

Wrong thread @SparklySneakers ?

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I actually wasted a minute there trying to catch the relevance

I’m afraid when you learn about sex offenders MJ is cited as a classic example.

I Would like to know what “ evidence” would satisfy @DorothyZbornack of his guilt?

No evidence????? Him inviting children over to sleep in his bed is evidence enough!!!! What is wrong with people???? It’s sick! It’s not normal!

That's not 'evidence' As much as you rage about it, or don't like it, it's not evidence or proof.
Someone cannot be convicted on public outrage. There has to be evidence and a jury has to consider the evidence and have no doubt based on that....not their assumptions or emotions.
Of course many guilty people are acquitted due to lack of evidence.

This vlogger has a pretty comprehensive take on it;

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PpCJVDwv9xA

His fans are pathetic and deluded. I've never really 'got' him or his music anyway, but quite frankly they need to wake up and smell the coffee. Your idiot was a disgusting pervert, deal with it and stop fucking victim blaming.

idol not idiot

I realised a long time ago that many people simply do not want to acknowledge that someone they cared about and admired, is or was also an abuser of kids. It happens with ordinary people too. People say how if they knew a paedophile they would string them up, and then their favourite nephew is accused of abusing a child and suddenly they assume the kid is lying.
With MY I have now seen various staff say that they knew he was abusing kids. These staffs have everything to lose by speaking out.

MJ like most abusers picked families who would not be believed. In the main dysfunctional families whose parents were interested in extracting money. That does not mean the abuse was not real.

And if I had been abused by someone as famous as MJ, no way would I come forward. The last thing I would want is to be hounded and called by a liar by all of their fans.

I don't know whether he was a pedophile but do know that he was raped as a child himself when he was in the Jackson 5 (along with his brothers :(

As for Wade Robson, he's the child of a fame hungry stage mother who chased Michael Jackson around repeatedly until he let Wade into his music videos. Wade himself is who 'Cry me a river' is about. He strikes me as an unpleasant and not honest person.

Elijah Wood has said that his mother protected him from abuse, but that he witnessed it going on in the industry.

Actually I think Hollywood is probably full of pedophiles. And parents who will literally sell their children.

I don't know whether he was a pedophile but do know that he was raped as a child himself when he was in the Jackson 5

See this confuses me. Who was convicted of abusing the Jackson 5? As far as I know, no-one. Yet you know this happened, but you don't know whether he abused anyone. Boys have said that he did abuse them, presumably in the same way people have said The Jackson 5 were abused. Why is the level of proof higher for one.

I didn't think the rumours about MJ were true but the documentary last night completely changed my mind. It was heartbreaking to hear what the men when through as children and I absolutely believed them.

Sorry I meant 'I know that he was apparently raped'

This would lend credibility to the idea that the abused can become abusers themselves.

I don't think this should ever have been shown as he isn't alive to defend himself.

I have no idea if he did it or not but what a lot of people don't realise is that victims often protect their abusers, they often deny anything happened for many many years, they often detach themselves from reality and are able to talk about it in an emotionless way. So many of the reasons people are using to accuse them of lying are unfair, just because they aren't presenting how we stereotypically expect a victim to appear it doesn't mean they aren't victims. Likewise just because he was found not guilty, it doesn't mean it didn't happen just that there wasn't the standard of proof but the successful conviction rate of abuse is disgustingly low because by nature abuse is hard to get evidence for so is often one word against the other.

The only thing this docu has achieved is making it even harder for victims to be able to come forward.

I'm not saying I don't believe the other guy but Wade Robson has defended MJ at trials and now suddenly does an about-turn because he's low on cash and is claiming compensation money from his estate?

@ElektraLOL

I defended my abuser for many many years.. Many many many victims defend their abusers for a whole host of reasons.

That's not 'evidence' As much as you rage about it, or don't like it, it's not evidence or proof.

Ok

Sharing a bed with children and obsessively doing this;having close "friendships" with boys only that ended when they reached puberty, to be replaced with another; making his home attractive to children; pornographic material; material produced by paedophiles and nambla members in his bedroom; multiple children accusing him of abuse; paying settlements to several children.

Nope, nothing to see here

Wade himself is who 'Cry me a river' is about. He strikes me as an unpleasant and not honest person.

Don't see how being allegedly caught up in a bit of a love triangle between Justin and Britney back in the day makes Wade Robson's account of sexual abuse any less relevant or less believable. Other posters have said how abuse victims can become very detached and it is true from my experience anyway.

I'm sorry to hear that Bugsy. And yes I can understand how that could happen. Do you think you'd have defended this person in a public trial though subject to so much scrutiny (not a rhetorical question but I find Robson to be suspicious)

You only have to look at the MJ documentary where he and a boy sat together and back then they was a uneasiness in how they were together. I 100Percent believe he groomed those boys and they were made to believe they were in a relationship and in love with one another