Why are people still deluding themselves about Michael Jackson??

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If any grown man I know invited children to sleep in his bed with him there would be absolutely no question about what was going on. I am sure that most people would agree, why are so many people still deluding themselves about this?? Makes me so cross, why do they even play his music on the radio??

I was backing up someone who said those kids aren’t his. Ultimately the man got away with so much and I, like the reason this thread was started, can’t understand why

OnlyFools I’ve no idea if MJ was innocent or not. I don’t know if MJ was their biological father. I find the whole situation quite worrying.

I do however know that people can look white but can be mixed race. You appear to believe otherwise. It’s a very offensive stance with no basis in reality.

In some erect penises the foreskin retracts, making it look circumcised. I thought everyone knew that?

Looking at the list documenting what the Police found, there seems to be an awful lot of pornography for a man who is ‘mentally a child’ and the children sharing his bed.
I wonder what on earth they were doing with it?

All the trained professionals in the case were quite sure it was for grooming victims and overcoming their boundaries with. It's apparently a common feature of child abuse

I knew that @nolongersurprised and thought it would be confusing for a child to decipher especially a traumastised sexually abused child.

And from what I've read, the police officers that conducted the search had seen similar material and childlike bedroom set ups with other cases that involved paedophiles and abuse victims.

he isnt here to defend himself. he can like porn - thats not illegal. i truly thing people were out to make money from him, the evidence would have stood up if he had been a child sex abuser. im a cop . i think there was probably a more to this than meets the eye, the evidence was he was innocent. i think a lot had a vested interest and money on him being guilty. im not so sure. no one will ever really know .

the evidence would have stood up if he had been a child sex abuser.

Yeah, because nobody guilty has ever been found innocent! It's an impossibility. Never happens.

Historic child sexual abuse rarely has any evidence.

Paedophiles don't sexually assault children with an audience.

Cop you say?

Jarvis Cocker had the right idea at the Brit awards many years ago.
I can still remember how repulsed I felt watching his performance that night, all those children at his feet was just odd and very disturbing.

Just like when Johnny Rotten gave an interview for BBC in the 70s and stated that Saville was a paedophile and that everyone knew this...

The interview never got aired.

the evidence would have stood up if he had been a child sex abuser. im a cop

Really? Ever worked child protection? I did for 7 years and would respectfully suggest you have no idea what you’re talking about.

he isnt here to defend himself. he can like porn - thats not illegal. i truly thing people were out to make money from him

Yes that's such a commonplace grift, isn't it? All those rich, innocent men rushing to handover millions of $$$$$$s on the strength of completely unsupportable accusations in preference to clearing their names and saving their careers.🙄 Such easy pickings 🤨

I think he's high profile enough for the evidence to be out ?

I'm all ears.

he evidence would have stood up if he had been a child sex abuser. im a cop

Really? Ever worked child protection? I did for 7 years and would respectfully suggest you have no idea what you’re talking about.

People do love their "Justice always prevails. Sleep safe in your beds." fantasies @SpiritedLondon . We only overturned the double jeopardy laws for a giggle, after all.

I'm not bothered either way. Hit me with your evidence. It will never be proven whatsoever because he's dead.

I couldn't give a rats either way really.

Sorry that should be;

he evidence would have stood up if he had been a child sex abuser. im a cop

Really? Ever worked child protection? I did for 7 years and would respectfully suggest you have no idea what you’re talking about.

People do love their "Justice always prevails. Sleep safe in your beds." fantasies @SpiritedLondon . We only overturned the double jeopardy laws for a giggle, after all.

Surely as a 'cop' you want justice for any victim.

'not giving a rats either way' ? WOW!

The problem is that people expect the same standards of evidence from a child that they do from an adult. Typically there is no corroborating evidence other than the child’s account because they don’t disclose within the “ forensic window”. Some never disclose at all. ( it’s a shameful secret that can lead them down the path of drug and alcohol abuse or MH problems) And then if they do provide an account they don’t provide it in a linear ( start to finish ) fashion or forget pieces then they are painted as unreliable. We haven’t even started on the grooming that takes place - the fear of what will happen to them, their siblings or their parents if they disclose. ( because the offender will have made threats etc) We’ve had cases where we’ve had photographic evidence of a child being anally penetrated by an adult but they the child swore blind nothing has happened. It’s really hard to meet the evidential standards to go to court and it’s easy to discredit a child witness - they’re not sophisticated. And this is just the tip of the iceberg- we have disclosure & retraction as a very common trait among victims but we choose to believe the retraction and not the disclosure is the truth. Add all that into the mix with a highly wealthy, charismatic mega star with the money to buy silence. But if people like his music and have a gut reaction then crack on.

Ps. I’m not a cop who didn’t give a rats either way - I was a specialist trainer in child abuse investigation.. I have some experience in what I’m talking about. The psychological evidence to support the child victims behaviour in this case is pretty vast.

Thank you @SpiritedLondon. Thank you.

spirited
Thank you!! Some one with some semblance of a clue!
What an unbelievable crock of shit this thread is from child abuse apologists.

Adult victims of sexual assault get the details wrong, that doesn’t mean they are lying. A erect penis can look like a circumcised penis.
Paedophiles groom children. They don’t pick children from families with stable parents. They pick vulnerable children with parents who can be groomed or manipulated or bought off. Plenty of parents ‘sell’ their children for a lot less than they were getting from MJ. It means that the defence can always be “he was in the take/asking for money/scamming me” because the parents are complicit.
Child victims tend to be children with multiple other issues so they can be easily branded liars. The girls in the Rochdale enquiry drank, did drugs and were promiscuous. They lied to social services and ran away from the police. This doesn’t mean they deserved it or asked for it or shouldn’t have been believed.
Paedophiles maintain non sexual appropriate relationships with some children and adults - partly so they can cultivate the “surely not, he’s a lovely man” image and partly because they are assessing the risk and they will only follow through with children they feel they can get to who WONT TELL.
The reason why sexual assault and rape allegations fail is exactly because of the utter bollocks trotted out on this thread.

apologies spirited you clearly have more of a semblance of a clue! My fury got the better of me and my sarcasm was misplaced. I too work in child protection and I’m absolutely aghast at the utter shite in this thread.

It’s so frustrating when people trot out this bull-shit to support their bias. It would be preferable for people to say I’m a huge fan of his and want to believe he’s innocent rather than peddling damaging myths based on a misconception of what a child victim looks and behaves like. ( and these are the people sitting on juries 😩)