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Aibu to be scared of moving abroad?

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coco123456789 · 25/02/2019 11:59

We have a chance to move to Oz for a job DH has been offered. But I am terrified at the prospect (though also maybe a bit excited at the potential too?). We have 3 DC - 1,5 and 7. It's a good job, good money. We are in London and my eldest DC's friends already seem to have started with tutors, loads of talk about schools etc and that sort of thing really stresses me out. She is only 7! Don't get me wrong, I think school is important and I went to Oxbridge but certainly never had a tutor or any of that stress in those days. Competitive London mums and schools isn't what I want and so am probably ready for a move anyway. But my worry is, how will the kids find it? And how will I find it? I won't have any support network and currently I have my parents and brother within 30mins of me so I always have someone to call if I need help with the kids. I worry about leaving my parents (early 70s) as they don't get on well and neither really have friends. Their lives are based around the DC. So is it selfish to take their main source of joy away? But would it be good for me and DH to strike out on our own? I am a bit of a mummy's girl I guess and it could be good for us to have our own adventure? Oh, I don't know. Any insight from anyone who has done it / regretted it appreciated!
Ps, aim would be to stay about 3 years

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Ski4130 · 27/02/2019 20:46

Our dc were pretty much those ages when we moved to NZ, it’s a great age to do it - they’re young enough to be really adaptable to change and new routines. I’d say go for it, you’ll regret not going, and if you know it’s for 3 years, you’ve got an end date in sight to give your parents. We came back when ours were 11, 8 and 5, and they’re amazingly resilient, adaptable and fearless as a result of their experience, it’s an amazing thing to show your kids another life and part of the world.

FuerzaAreaUruguay · 27/02/2019 21:00

I did this when I was single and childfree. I would never do this with kids. There's at least one poster that was on here that went, it didn't work out, she was miserable but guess what? The court would not let her take the kids back to the UK without his permission, she got stuck there.

It's too fucking far.

My folks are now getting on (I'm not as far as Oz) and it is becoming a heart-breaking situation being so far from them.

My kids are British and now even if I wanted to go back, they have no interest in doing so.

What started out as a lark has become for life.

Just no, no, no.

coco123456789 · 27/02/2019 21:08

I am getting so confused. Some people say they do a sting and come back and it's fine. Others say you will never be able to come back. I find the whole not coming back thing strange - why wouldn't you be able to come back? (presuming your marriage hasn't fallen apart?)

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coco123456789 · 27/02/2019 21:10

I used to work in the city and it was quite normal to do a foreign stint for a few years. I was just feeling nervous at the idea of it. Now I feel like to go would be a total disaster!!

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HennyPennyHorror · 27/02/2019 21:10

As others have said, you should only go if you're certain you'd be OK with never coming back. I was which is why I chose to come.

coco123456789 · 27/02/2019 21:12

What man doesn't agree to go back to the UK if that's where his wife wants to take the kids? Even if you don't want to be married any more you still want to be in the same country as your kids? What man would expect his ex wife to stay in a foreign country?

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Sciurus83 · 27/02/2019 21:15

I.would go in a heart beat in your position

HennyPennyHorror · 27/02/2019 21:19

Coco really? Are you asking that for real? LOADS of men do it. On a yearly basis. I live in a small town here in Oz and I personally know two women who wanted to go back to the UK and their husbands wouldn't allow it.

And there's literally nothing you can do. Even if the man is abusive it's VERY difficult to get away. The Hague Convention is water tight.

NCforthis2019 · 27/02/2019 21:22

What if he gets the taste for life there and then he doesn't want to come back. Money changes people - ive experienced this 1st hand. I think that's what some people mean. And youre moving for his job, you have nothing out there, so, presumably, he could just stay put and continue with his job for as long as he wants, and leave you and the children to come home with nothing.....

HennyPennyHorror · 27/02/2019 21:24

NC did you miss the discussion above about that? He could not only decide to stay BUT he could also decide the children stay too...

coco123456789 · 27/02/2019 21:25

Hmm, if he didn't have me and the kids then he would also have nothing as far as I am concerned!

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AnchorDownDeepBreath · 27/02/2019 21:35

Take on board what people have said, and see how it applies to you. Are you both in agreement that it would be a short stint? Do your parents need you? Are you in agreement about plans while you are there?

You know your husband and your family better than anyone here.

I'd go, personally. I've done a short stint abroad, I loved it. It's not uncommon in my industry. I came back as planned, it was exciting and scary and fun and I don't regret it at all.

Talk to your husband. Be sure that you're not just avoiding change. Work out if you both want to make it work, and if so, how.

Good luck Thanks

NCforthis2019 · 27/02/2019 21:35

I dont know - all i can go by is from my own experience, and i would say money can change some people. I dont mean to say it will change your husband, but it might. If its a life changing sum - its always going to be a game changer and i dont know 1 person who moved for money who didnt extend or remain in that country. Currently i have friends in dubai -said they were being there for 2 year max to earn big bucks, this was 2006. I hv friends in singapore who said they were going to be there for 5 years, this was 90's. Again - all my personal experience.

coco123456789 · 27/02/2019 21:43

Thanks everyone. Lots to take on board! And AnchorDown - yep I definitely do avoid change!!

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FuerzaAreaUruguay · 27/02/2019 21:48

It's far from uncommon for one person to want to come back and the other doesn't and doesn't want the kids to go, either, so that would be you stuck there. Or worse, you chucked out and he and the kids stay. Far from uncommon.

So I wouldn't go.

myadviceisdontskippaps · 27/02/2019 22:08

What man doesn't agree to go back to the UK if that's where his wife wants to take the kids? Even if you don't want to be married any more you still want to be in the same country as your kids? What man would expect his ex wife to stay in a foreign country?

Coco did you read anything i wrote? None of us ever marry someone thinking they'll treat us/our DC like shit. None of us give up our own careers to support and follow someone else's thinking we're going to have to start over again in our late 30s and worried about how to get DC through uni b/c XH sure as shit ain't gonna contribute. etc etc.

Me: Canadian w/ Canadian xh on expat assignment in US with possibility for permanence. DS - i was sahm for 4 years. at time divorce was filed, XH had the opportunity to turn down the localization and be sent home to Canada with job intact but lose promotion opportunities in the US. instead, he knuckled down and refused to let me return home with DS, knowing that if we divorced there was no way i could legally stay in the US and that a court could rule DS had to stay in the US also, despite having zero interest in being primary caregiver to DS. it took me 1.5 years and $75,000 to get out. Since we left, he has only visited 4 times in 7 months - it's only a 3.5 hr flight away.
If I could have found a job that would sponsor me for a work visa, i would still be there because I believe it is in my DS' best interest to be near both his parents. I applied to 50+ jobs and I have a Masters degree in a technical field that qualifies for a NAFTA visa and still couldn't get anything. He still could come back to Canada and get a job here to be close to DS, but will never do that because his career is more important to him.

Friend 1 situation: italian national with spanish XH on expat assignment in the US. it took her THREE years to leave the US with their two DDs and $100k, despite the fact he had zero intention of permanently settling in the US, and could have requested repatriation. the XH commutes to see the DC in spain once a month.

Acquaintance situation: Australian couple with one DD on expat assignment in US - her very rich parents had to come over and pay for her divorce so she could retain custody of their DD. XH threatened her that he would take DD away and she would get deported to Australia.

Friend 2 situation: canadian married to us citizen. 2 young DS. she will likely never be able to return to Canada because he will not let the children go, and she has a green card so a judge will likely not rule in her favour since she has the ability to legally stay in the US and get a job.

I have also just thought of another situation I know of with an abusive H. H is Canadian on expat assignment in US, W is from the west indies on spouse visa. W had an older DS by a previous partner and a younger DS by this H. H abuses her financially (only puts enough gas in car to go to grocery store and back, she has no bank acct, no credit card etc). H has an OW, and threatens W that if she tries to leave, he will take both DS and sponsor the older one who isn't even his to stay and she will get deported back to the west indies.

That is not to say you should expect this to happen to you, but you should be fully aware this could happen to you and be prepared to deal with the fallout. I cannot describe to you how it feels to be stuck in extended limbo not knowing if you'll lose your child(ren) because your STBX prioritizes his career over the best interest of the child(ren).

In your situation, I would research heavily what your options are for getting your own visa to stay in Australia permanently in the event your marriage breaks down and you are unable to return to the UK with children, and what your job prospects would be like if you did indeed stay there longer than planned. I would also research family law and see where that would land you if your marriage did break down.

HennyPennyHorror · 27/02/2019 22:09

why wouldn't you be able to come back? (presuming your marriage hasn't fallen apart?

The Hague Convention. It's there to stop one parent from leaving certain countries when the other parent doesn't want to leave.

WendyCope · 27/02/2019 22:18

Hague Convention If I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times.

This is getting silly now. Do. Your. Research.

People are NOT trying to scare you off, they are giving you hard won advice and opinion and experience.

That is all.

WendyCope · 27/02/2019 22:23

If he didn't have me and the kids he would have nothing as far as I am concerned

Oh dear Hmm

coco123456789 · 27/02/2019 22:33

Thanks - I have got the message.

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dreichuplands · 27/02/2019 22:38

We went away for a couple of years, came back and then following Brexit decided to leave again for a while.
There are lots of positives but it is hard. I find it harder in the US than in the more expat place. I have applied for my own work visa now but I'm not sure I will actually be able to work. The trailing spouse has the hardest part of the deal I reckon.
Our dc really struggled with coming home because it wasn't home for them and the school systems were so different.
I don't worry about splitting up, although I cannot say it wouldn't happen. I have more mundane worries.

WinterHeatWave · 28/02/2019 03:28

Ok, there is a very real risk that IF your relationship breaks down and IF your husband decided to play nasty, the effects can be catastrophic. However, it is not "extremely common" as has been mentioned up thread.
Personally, I know of one expat divorce. Child returned home with Mum, Dad stayed here. It was very amicable.
Yes, it is something you need to consider, but it is not a reason not to go unless you already have doubts on your relationship.

Methyl · 28/02/2019 03:46

What city would you be going to, OP?
I find it very sad that you would let fear stop you having an adventure. This opportunity has landed in your lap; grab it with both hands!
We were living in the UK, nice quality of life, good jobs etc., when an out-of-the-blue opportunity popped up for us to move to the US with DH'a job. After initially deciding it was 'a bit too much change' we thought 'no fuck it - let's go and see what happens'. And it was tough at times, but amazing. And turned out to be the best thing we ever did, because our if that job experience came an offer for a FABULOUS job for him in Melbourne. Again, it came suddenly, and there was fear of change. But it coincided with Brexit and the rise of Trump, so we figured Australia was possibly a better bet than either the UK or US. BEST DECISION EVER. Life in Melbourne is just the best: beautiful location, cafes on my doorstep (totally disagree with a previous poster; this IS a priority ;) ), brilliant local schools, easy to make friends, progressive and interesting local community - we absolutely love it. We've bought a house, and, like a previous poster, it's almost embarrassing how much money we earn. This is the greatest quality of life we've had anywhere in the world, well surpassing how we lived in London (on six figures there, so not exactly in difficulty).
Yes, it can be hard being far from family but I love that when they come to visit they generally stay a decent time. I wholeheartedly encourage you to grab this and go with it. And if it's Melbourne, send me a private message Smile

HennyPennyHorror · 28/02/2019 05:19

Methyl my experience in Oz reflects yours but it's naive for anyone to go without considering worst case scenarios.

PBobs · 28/02/2019 05:22

This thread has morphed a bit. Weird to think your DH would have nothing wihout you and the kids. That seems harsh.

I think you were never intending to leave which is a shame as you're making that decision unilaterally rather than as a family. Have you talked about it with them?

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