Please can someone explain why this is offensive?

[PooleySpooley]

Holly Willougbys boobs on Dancing On Ice Tonight.

There is this women on Twitter going on about how it’s not ok for “family viewing” before the watershed?

How the hell is a bit of cleavage offensive to children?

Am I being dim here? I can’t see anything offensive about it at all?

Just like the men, then. That’s what they’re PAID to do. This is getting utterly ridiculous now.

Alsohuman- do you think that men in the public are sexualised and judged on their appearance in the same way that women are?

I don't see Philip doing much else than standing still too

Alsohuman - I've never seen the men stand that still! But then, their clothes don't force them to think carefully about how much they can actually move. I find it supremely irritating that what is supposed to look attractive on women is effectively something which inhibits natural movement.

Holly has worn a whole selection of dresses, so the idea that s she's paid to expose her breasts on TV whilst Phillip does all the intelligent and interesting work doesn't hold water.

So. Two people doing a presenter job. One is wearing a suit, low heels, maybe s bit of glitter but essentially just normal clothes a version of the sort of clothes that could be worn for most jobs. The other is wearing high heels, clothes that draw eyes to sexual characteristics, clothes that mean any sort of quick movement is difficult and which are designed specifically to tittilate. Which one is the woman?

On reflection, the word tittilate could have been better chosen.......

Oh, and if anyone mentions that Diet Coke ad, I won’t be answerable for the consequences!

Neither of them has to do anything interesting or intelligent... Only one of them is expected to wear a different outfit every week and chose or was made to wear a particularly inappropriate dress this week.

Diet Coke ad. Colin Firth. Poldark. Bodyguard. Love Island. The Chippendale. Michelangelo’s David.

I’m sure you can think of some more if you try @Bertrand. It’s bloody nonsense.

Yeah, like everyone would think it was appropriate if the presenters of Dancing on Ice were dressed as though they were auditioning for Love Island .

Missed the point entirely but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

I didn't miss the point. That Holly Willoughby was not appropriately dressed for Dancing on Ice was the whole point of the original complaint. That men are sometimes expected to portray an overtly sexualised image is irrelevant in a context where they are not expected to do this but their female counterparts are. Presenting Love Island - stupid dress (or preferably no dress) is fine. Presenting Dancing on Ice - stupid dress is not fine.

But Holly's dresses are essentially "fancy frocks", if she was dressed in a few bits of material each week showing her nipples and bum cheeks fair enough but she isn't. And yes they're all form fitting but she's fairly young, slim - why should she have to wear baggy dresses to make a point that she didn't get the job via her breasts?

Why is Dancing on Ice different? Not that I think a bit of cleavage, which you can see just about anywhere, is inappropriate. And my response was to Bertrand who apparently thinks men aren’t objectified.

But this isn't a thread about someone complaining about all of Holly's dresses - the complaint was very specifically about the ridiculously low cut, ill fitting black one...

It’s not ridiculously low. I own an evening dress as low cut as that. Like I say 21st century Puritanism.

Because its become about Holly having to stand like a mannequin and be there for tittilatiom whilst Phillip is there to be a professional presenter.

The other is wearing high heels, clothes that draw eyes to sexual characteristics, clothes that mean any sort of quick movement is difficult and which are designed specifically to tittilate
So either Holly is dressed to stand there purely as a body to keep the husbands interested or its a one lower cut dress that may have been badly fitted but given that she did her job and didn't flash was entirely fine.

It’s not about the dress. It’s about the expectations of women.

And if people are offended by the top half of a breast, I really don't see how they're coping with all the dance outfits. You see more than that in the scho run

And my response was to Bertrand who apparently thinks men aren’t objectified.“
I think they are very occasionally. Then fact that you have to go back the Diet Coke ad and Mr Darcy suggests that it’s not an every day occurrence.

But then she'd be dressed flashing her breasts to all and sundry every week of the expectation on her was to be there as the sexy entertainment.

Three random weeks, still "posh frocks" but no over excited husbands or traumatised children

Does anyone have information on the makeup of the audience at all?

I ask because I work in a very male orientated environment (forces) and I don't think that many people that I work with watch DOI. Plenty of the blokes find Holly very attractive but still wouldn't watch it.

Now that clearly doesn't mean that you men watch it but I suspect that the show is marketed at a mainly female audience. I just wonder who she's dressed up for?

“I just wonder who she's dressed up for?”
She’s dressed up like that because that is how the media think women should be presented.

What about the covered up frocks then? And Emma Willis? And Claudia Winkleman? Neither of whom flash their cleavage.