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To be really pissed off at MIL's lack of support

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Butttons · 23/02/2019 23:25

MIL has been staying with us for half term to help out with the DCs. She's been wonderful and they've adored her being here. DH is setting up his own company and MIL has been very much against this since the start. DH viewed some potential new premises this week and has been interviewing some potential new starters. Things seem like they're falling into place and he's really excited. My parents are planning on investing (they are mortgage free, have investment properties and work as part-time consultants in their respective lines of work). DH has spoken to PIL about investing (mortgage free, investment properties and money in the bank from sale of business) but they are non-committal.

MIL has been sitting here in a strop all afternoon since DH got back from an informal chat with an ex-employee who'd like to work for him. Having this person on board would make DH's new company almost twice as productive in the first year. The reason DH had a meeting today is because this person has just been promoted and they needed to discuss finances and dates. The only thing MIL has said is "well you're going to need more than £xxk then aren't you". When DH was talking about the potential new premises she just said "it doesn't sound like its going to work out with that one" simply because DH hasn't had a reply from the landlord from an email he sent yesterday.

I am not bothered about PIL investing on DH's company, yes it will make it more difficult financially, and we'll have to borrow more from investors and the bank, but there's so much negativity about him starting his own business (balanced with the argument "you've been at your current place long enough" Hmm) that it's really getting me down.

She keeps saying how she's worried we'll lose the house and we and the DC will be homeless (obviously we've done our sums and budgeted things out. We're not stupid) but she doesn't actually want to help out at all to try and stop this scenario from happening. I really don't care about her money, I'm confident we can get enough backing from investors but her attitude is really pissing me off. She's been so lovely all week. The minute DH starts talking about his new business venture she just starts sulking. I cooked dinner, called them both from the living room in to the kitchen to sit down. DH and I were at the kitchen table for 5 mins waiting and she didn't join us until he went in to the living room to ask her if she wanted to eat (despite seeing me dishing up right after I'd asked them to sit down for dinner) . Then she came in and if was all one word answers during dinner and all night. She's just gone up to bed and I can hear her stomping around and slamming the toilet seat (wtf is that about?!). I hope she doesn't wake the DC.

I really want to ask DH to categorically tell her he doesn't want her to invest but I'm worried about his reaction. He's really stressed at the moment with his business plan etc. Its pushing our relationship and my relationship with MIL was a bit rocky until about a year/18m ago and he doesn't take any perceived "criticism" of MIL very well. I'm just so bloody pissed off that she can't provide even a little bit of moral encouragement. It all seems to he about money to her. She's not ungenerous. She always splashes out on us and the DC but I think she feels like she has to invest as my parents are. My parents have told us (and her) that they consider the investment almost like giving us our inheritance early and I think MIL feels inadequate (she previously told me she felt inadequate as my mum knitted the DC some jumpers when they were babies and she can't knit so can't do the same Hmm).

Sorry for long post. AIBU to feel this way and should i say something to DH or even MIL?

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/02/2019 10:05

You say ‘invest’ but do you just mean ‘give you money’?

Yes, I wondered about this myself ...

Hannahmates · 24/02/2019 10:06

I hope your MIL stands her ground and doesn't feel pressured to financially invest especially if you and your husband are being financially irresponsible and risking homelessness for this sketchy business plan. It sounds like you don't want her asking questions and just want her to give you money. If you choose to go NC your GC, you and your husband will be the ones suffering more. She is currently providing you with free childcare and helping around the house right? If you wish to destroy your GC relationship with their grandparents over money that you are not entitled tothen yes you are YABVVU.

Oldraver · 24/02/2019 10:08

Well she is entitled to not invest any money.

But you say they sold a business ? Could you ask her how they started off, not as a means to get her to give up the cash, but hopefully she will see that they were in the same place once.

Sell it as, can you give us some advice etc

cushioncuddle · 24/02/2019 10:10

She doesn't want to invest. She finds starting a new business too risky and frightening. You don't like how she talks about it.

Action.

Don't talk to her about it. Leave her out of it all together. Talk about it in private when she's staying at yours.

No problem.

pepperpot99 · 24/02/2019 10:12

OP you do come across as hugely entitled and demanding. Your MIL has stayed at your house and helped you massively with your childcare - for free, I dare say - yet you are simultaneously accusing her of 'lack of support' because she won't hand over her cash right now. It's actually shocking, what you expect from her.

The only way to salvage this situation is to tell her that you do not want her money because that would compromise the relationship (although tbh you have already compromised it yourself Hmm). I wonder if you will though?

Tennesseewhiskey · 24/02/2019 10:15

@tenesseesorry I missed the part where pressure was put on to invest and just focused on the negativity towards every move her DH made in regards to the business. You can choose not to invest and still be encouraging and positive.

Why should you have to be. If you have genuine concerns, why do you have to appear that you are?

Her concerns sound genuine. OP is wanting money off people, they have invited in her opinion and to continue talking about it, despite knowing its worrying her.....what do you want the mil to do? Lie?

Just because your pil are always negative and you don't like them, doesnt make every mil in the wrong.

Imperfectsusan · 24/02/2019 10:16

There is no reason at all she should be comfortable investing. You sound spoiled. Like she should give you the money to prevent you suffering any consequences of your own decisions! Why should she give you money to prevent you failing in a plan you want to action?

Where she is unreasonable is in not saying clearly that she wishes you well, and has confidence in her son, but doesn't want to risk her retirement funds. Stropping like a teenager is not a reasonable reaction.

Alsohuman · 24/02/2019 10:16

Of course she’s not fucking jealous, she’s worried and it’s easy to see why. It’s perfectly obvious that she’s really anxious about this, OP, but you keep rubbing her nose in it. Why do you keep discussing it in front of her? Just keep your business discussions away from her.

If ever there was a hostile environment in which to start a new business it’s now so I can completely see her point.

AnguasDogCollar · 24/02/2019 10:18

Did I read a different OP to some others? She clearly said it wasn't the money, it was the general attitude. Stomping around, sulking and giving monosyllabic answers is incredibly childish behaviour. There's nothing wrong with DMIL having and sharing her concerns, but it sounds like things have progressed far enough that DH isn't going to back out now. OP is not BU to get frustrated at the constant negativity and childish sulking.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/02/2019 10:24

There's also the point that PILs aren't exactly business virgins, since you mentioned "mortgage free, investment properties and money in the bank from sale of business" ... therefore there must be a good reason for their reluctance

I get that their reluctance to just lay it out might be a bit irritating, but I'd gently suggest that the flouncing - "how clever of you ...", "are you suggesting we go NC" - might also be a concern. You obviously can't do that with clients, so is there any possibility they're wondering if you'll cope well with all the challenges running a business brings?

llangennith · 24/02/2019 10:24

My DD's inlaws are extremely wealthy and I'm definitely not. Inlaws paid for their wedding and have given them large lump sums over the years to help with property etc. It's money they'd leave to their DC anyway when they die.
I can't help out financially at all but it doesn't affect any of our relationships with each other.
You shouldn't have hinted to your MIL about investing and she shouldn't be huffy because your own parents are helping you.
She's worried about your financial security so stop discussing things in front of her. It may be exciting and all-consuming to you and your DH but it's overwhelming to your MIL.

Tinkerbelltower · 24/02/2019 10:25

I love how the word 'invest' keeps being bandied around when it is likely to mean 'pour money down the drain'.

SoyDora · 24/02/2019 10:26

What will they be getting in return for the investment OP?

Holidayshopping · 24/02/2019 10:28

She is not your personal cash cow. You sound very grabby and entitled.

Stop talking about this business idea at all, in front of her-you are clearly making her feel extremely pressured. I feel very sorry for her actually-she’s come to help you with childcare for the week and this is how you repay her.

Tennesseewhiskey · 24/02/2019 10:28

AnguasDogCollar have you read it?

The issue of her investing is still hanging in the air. She is there to help them out with the kids and they are insisting on talking about it in front of her. While asking for her investment. It's very probable she feels they are doing that to drop hints to invest.

It's not constant. She will have gone home soon. If they wanted her to keep out of it, they should have approached her to give the money.

Given the op feels she should be obligated to invest, if she is concerned (which is the exact opposite of what you should do when you invest) and give them more of a bumper, I can imagine the mil is very uncomfortable and just wants to enjoy her stay without the elephant in the room keep being brought up.

Petalflowers · 24/02/2019 10:28

I hink theres two related issues.

Op and dh are busy talking about the new business, investments, meetings etc. They’ve openly mentioned op’s parents are investing, and assume mil would want to invest as well (to support them etc). However, mil is cautious, throwing up concerns etc and obviously doesn’t want to take the risk.

Mil is fed up with the continual business talk, assumptions/pressure that they will invest etc, and he has reacted badly. Ie. Sulking. She probably just expected a nice week looking after the grandchildren, not being haressed for money.

I’m not sure knitting jumpers and investing/donating thousands of pounds are quite the same thing.

Giraffesinscarves · 24/02/2019 10:29

Anguas you are only getting one side of the story there which could be highly exaggerated based on disappointment from the OP. MIL may just feel so uncomfortable inwardly that its manifesting itself in irritation. She probably feels used and hurt and just wants to go home. I know i would in her situation.

I think a little stomping in comparison to the pressure placed on her is understandable and not a hanging offence!

Whocansay · 24/02/2019 10:30

She's allowed to be concerned. I doubt it's about the money. If things do go wrong and you lose your parents' money, how will you pay them back? How will it effect your relationship? I imagine your MIL is more worried about your relationship, as debt creates a lot of pressure, even if the business is doing well.

She is clearly supportive of you in other ways. Don't mention your plans in front of her again and if she brings up the subject, gently close it down.

zippey · 24/02/2019 10:30

Borrowing money tends to ruin relationships, just leave money out of things and relationship should be fine.

Butttons · 24/02/2019 10:35

Sigh.

I may have written the post late last night while tired. Please can someone point put to me where I say that we insist on constantly talking about the business in front of her? DH had a meeting. She asked about it and got stroppy. I'm pissed off at the stroppiness and constant negativity. it just would be nice to hear "sounds good but have you thought about xyz" rather than "it's never going to work" once in a while

FWIW my parents will be shareholders.

OP posts:
Shookethtothecore · 24/02/2019 10:38

@Tennessee because it’s her stompy behaviour and way she delivers the negativity. You can voice concerns but be encouraging.

AWishForWingsThatWork · 24/02/2019 10:40

I think you're making a mistake involving any extended family money, frankly. It the business idea is viable and you have the talent to make a go of it, business investors / banks will support it.

Keep family and business separate, especially older people's money who are a lot closer to retirement and should be considering their level of risk.

helacells · 24/02/2019 10:40

Wow why on earth would you ask relatives to invest in a business? That is a terrible decision and may lead to disaster.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/02/2019 10:41

it just would be nice to hear "sounds good but have you thought about xyz" rather than "it's never going to work" once in a while

That's completely understandable, but these are people who've run a business themselves and might be expected to have some insight into the issues ... surely there must be a reason why they think it won't work?

TellerTuesday4EVA · 24/02/2019 10:42

my point was that if she was really that concerned that we'd be homeless then why wouldnt she offer to help.

Because if she was genuinely concerned you'd become homeless and then 'invested' she'd be even more concerned that she would become homes less to 🤷🏻‍♀️