To think this cafe needs to rethink their message to customers?

[GunpowderGelatine]

Seen this on Facebook today from a cafe -

So we are a dog friendly cafe which is completely acceptable by health and safety as long as the dogs don’t cook your food or enter the kitchen 😡 so don’t give us a hard time if you don’t like dogs because we like dogs better than humans - note don’t give Vicky a hard time over happy dogs because Vicky will always defend the dogs

Now I have a bit of a fear of dogs and wouldn't expect to see one in a cafe and I'd be a bit pissed off if I paid good money for food and drink only to be bollocked by "Vicky" if I didn't like a dog in my face AIBU to think it's not a good message to tell your paying customers that they come second to another species?

Plus I don't have to take them for a walk every day, rain or shine!

I do actually like dogs but these are the reasons why I don't want one (plus DH is allergic). I enjoy other people's dogs, though.

Horses for courses as the saying goes.

Not the case with dogs, which would be my main bugbear The dog poo thing is just something you get used to - like changing nappies.

Animals are not rude to you or abusive to you.

Only because they can't speak.

Lizzie48, those 2 or 3 years of nappies though, to me, are far worse than picking up dog poo. I can remember some of my niece's and nephew's nappies vividly even after over 20 years! Some of them were disgustingly horrendous. In almost 40 years of having a dog (often more than 1 at the same time) I have never had to deal with anything like them.

Is it the only café in town? Just go to another one

I just don't get why we lump human beings (children, who grow up to be adults) along with animals

Err, because we are part of the animal kingdom?

I have dogs but couldn't have children. I love my dogs and they are pretty much the one consistent thing in my life that genuinely makes me smile, even on bad days. My dogs are joy personified. They know nothing other than love and happiness and just want to love me and anyone else who comes into my house. I love taking them out because they are so happy and pleased to be alive. Dogs are simple creatures. Their needs are love, food and shelter and for that small outlay they will give you unconditional love and devotion...and joy, so so much joy.

Jackie1957
Vicky is far from unpleasant or any of the other things she’s been accused of on here. She made that post on her own Facebook page after a long day and dealing with an awkward customer. She was sounding off - don’t we all after a particularly rotten experience?

Unfortunately, she's running a business. The post on the private page wasn't professional. I've been left with a poor impression after reading that, and I think linking a business and personal page may not have been the best idea.

You say Vicky and her staff are great, then I'd suggest separating the two pages, so that if she wants a rant (and sometimes we all need one) it doesn't impact on the business.

I'm not comfortable near dogs, so it's not a cafe I'd go to, although the food seems fine from what I can see (I'd love a cat cafe in my town, though).

*Animals are not rude to you or abusive to you.
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Er...except when they bite your face off.

Apologies for the Fail link.

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Unfortunately, she's running a business. The post on the private page wasn't professional WHich is why the OP has been told she is being unfair when she says that THE CAFE has said something! It wasn't a professional comment, it was a private one!

I've been left with a poor impression after reading that, and I think linking a business and personal page may not have been the best idea. Tell that to Facebook. You are restricted with business pages. You can only allowed to link a business page to a personal account, or have a business account

However if you already have a personal account, keep in mind that you cannot create a separate business account.

So the choices for those of us who run small businesses and have personal facebook accounts are limited!

People used to laugh ta me when I said I didn't have fb as I was a teacher. I set one up when I stopped teachig, now I find myself reading posts like this demanding that I as an individual should be held to a higher account just because I run a business!

Sadly I do acquiesce... I don't have opinions, don't join in discussions ro any possibly controversial posts purely because someone might do to me what OP has done to this cafe!

Just another way of silencing people - in this case women!

Jesus Lady The way all of those pople are behaving! Utterly bewildering! Weird.

I disagree there, @mydogisthebest I had a dog growing up. I had the job of picking up dog poo from the lawn. No nappy change has ever grossed me out so much.

And there's still the commitment to take said dog for walks in the rain or snow. No thanks!

Even if I concede that picking up dog shit isn't so bad as changing nappies (cleaning potties was worse if anything!), it's still only for a limited season, as opposed to 12/13 years for a dog.

I confess I'm glad that my DDs are now well past the age of needing assistance with the toilet, however.

Lizzie48, I feed my dogs raw so they only do pretty small poos and, thankfully, they are never runny. They also don't smell as bad as dogs fed on other foods.

Leighhalfpenny, I love your post. It's exactly how I feel about my dogs. I too love the fact that they are always so happy. You take them out and they are just full of the joys of spring every single day, have a good sniff of everywhere, greeting people and other dogs, their tails wagging non stop.

Even indoors they are always happy. I speak to them all the time and their tails just wag like crazy. They snuggle up with me on the settee which I love and if I am sad they always seem to know and come to comfort me.

I have never heard of a dog taking drugs, smoking, swearing etc.

Now this is the kind of banal comparison to children I don't get.

You are aware dogs are unable to do these things because humans have effectively enslaved them?

You are aware dogs are unable to do these things because humans have effectively enslaved them?

You think dogs would smoke, swear and take drugs if humans hadn't domesticated them?

Point taken @SoupDragon - what I should have said is, they're not physically able to.

"Sadly I do acquiesce... I don't have opinions, don't join in discussions ro any possibly controversial posts purely because someone might do to me what OP has done to this cafe!
Just another way of silencing people - in this case women!"

Agreed, CuriousaboutSamphire. I was a teacher too and, like you, didn't use facebook until I left. I won't stay quiet now though, having spent so many years having to be careful what I said.

I doubt if it will bother Vicky, the publicity is only good for her business and from what I've seen on facebook, people are all rallying behind her - and all those dog owners who didn't already know how welcome they would be will now be planning their visits :)

Something I was struck by last time I was at the tea room, was how they spent nearly an hour going through vegan foods, tasting, costing and preparation - none of them was actually vegan themselves, they just 'might' have a customer who is.

My grandaughter is treated like a princess when she visits - and so is my dog so I'm a happy customer. :)

Gunpowder, my comment was in reply to the poster who said having a dog is hard work. That may be true but not as hard work, in my view, as having children nor, often, as disappointing, worrying and upsetting.

Lots of my friends have gone through some rough times with their children. In fact quite a few attribute their divorce to having children and the stress they can cause.

I have two friends whose children are drug addicts, one overdosed last week. I have another two friends whose children have been in prison. Doesn't sound like much fun to me. Lots of worry and sleepless nights even now when their children are grown up. My dogs don't give me either of those things

My dogs don't really cause me any grief at all and I don't really see them as hard work. Walking them is enjoyable and even if it is pouring with rain the joy they get from a walk always makes it worthwhile for me.

not as hard work, in my view, as having children nor, often, as disappointing, worrying and upsetting.

Have you actually had children?

But children bring far more joy and unconditional love than they do heartache and despair. They also (usually) live longer than 14 years and are faithful companions until you die. They are also, eventually, your equal - unlike dogs who are totally subservient.

Like I say, you're comparing apples and oranges (and yes before someone brings it up it is the correct saying/analogy)

Dog botherers always tie themselves up in knots with their witless irrelevant exhortations to compare parenthood with having a pet. "But we're all animals!" they say, then at the same time say how dogs are better by giving examples of problematic behaviour that some children exhibit but dogs do not precisely because they're not human as if it's some kind of killer logic point when in fact it's the opposite.

Dogs are animals that some people choose to have in their houses. They will forever be dependent for personal care on humans, will never contribute financially to said household, will never have a say in family decisions. Their entire purpose is to be a passive recipient of human care and to be trained to be docile in human company.

Children are people who from their earliest days grow in independence, who have a stake in household decision making, who are guided through their early years with the purpose of eventually being equipped to take their place in the world as adults themselves. There are a million more concerns to raising a child than changing nappies and providing food - this is a fraction of parenting, such a small part as to be almost unnoticeable.