To think current pop music is telling us something very disturbing about the nation’s youth?

[DonaldTwain]

Watching the Brit awards (I know, why).
Ed Sheehan. Calvin Harris. Sam Smith. All of whom in my day (hitches bosom) would have been pure radio two fodder.
Only grime gives me hope. What the fuck is wrong with kids today? Not enough class As?

The music reflects the generation...'safe'. No rebellion, no 'edge' and very little substance.

Lol @PBo83 exactly!

Jess Glynne sounds like a goat.
Wtf was that 1975 shit?!
They gave Pink an outstanding contribution to music award!?
She shouldn't have highlighted previous winners (Bowie, Elton, Eurythmics, Fleetwood Mac). It just made it seem even more ridiculous that she'd won it. But I supposed knobbie Williams has won it before.

Meh, I had a fab time in my youth. Rock and roll and sex.

Didn't need alcohol or drugs to have fun though.

I agree the music is absolutely dire. Where is anything even remotely edgy?!

My understanding is that these award shows are more a reflection of the industries involved, which usually play it safe with at most a very fake edge, not any particular generation. While these are huge businesses, it's not so different from before when a lot of it goes on away from that - more online these days, but I know plenty who play in local places. I find some of the judgements based on it funny and other's just weird.

I'm another whose kinda in the middle and this party/boring backlash isn't anything new. In the '90s, my mother found me very boring and thought I was judgemental for not joining her in it, but I really didn't care what she did - I just didn't see the appeal and had different vices. A lot of us grew up with not just stories of partying but with parents who continued to party and took to drink-and-prescriptions-to-'cope' parenting culture which now I see many call selfish. I've no idea if I've any substance and I know plenty of others like my siblings who enjoyed it, but it's not really rebellion or edgy if it's your mum handing you the pot and the vodka and going off on the horrors of the system and marriage. It's why cultural pendulum swings back and forth, though music and other media industries barely tend to scratch the surface of that.

My Dad likes Jess Glynne. He's 72 .

If you're going to use the brits as a barometer of current taste then you're in for a bad time. It's never exactly been down with the kids.

We're actually in a golden age of music, there's an infinite world of amazing stuff out there on the internet but you're not going to see them getting a slot on ITV.

I went clubbing a couple of years ago >drunk of course> and it was so bright, it was like bloody broad daylight.

Apparently it's for fucking Instagram. You get better selfies in the light.

I mean, fucking come on. What's the point in a club that isn't dark, and grimy, and specifically designed so you could hide in corners getting off with unsuitable men?

We're actually in a golden age of music, there's an infinite world of amazing stuff out there on the internet but you're not going to see them getting a slot on ITV.

Agreed. There is a lot of great stuff that we never get to hear in the mainstream and, as most people's lives are fairly busy, we may never get a chance to discover.

God, give us back John Peel and you can have Little Mix.

@EstrellaDamn

I noticed that on a stag do not so long ago. Clubs are brightly lit and the music seems really quiet (I think they have sound meters now to be fair).

Clubs should be dark places with huge bass bins, sticky carpets and the unmistakable smell of spilt VKs, CK One, sweat and overused smoke machines.

PBo83 you’re going to the wrong clubs. I don’t think a venue hosting a stag night is likely to be a thriving hub of the underground movement

It's not fair to compare John Peel and Little Mix. In Peel's day there were plenty of girl bands, one being Banarama. In any case I don't think John Peel deserves the reverence he gets from some people, given his interesting tendencies....

@gamerswidow - Oh definitely, I agree that there would be places better suited to my tasted but I'm a bit old now and would probably want to goto bed by 12!

@Bowchicawowow - I do sort of agree, it was meant as a humorous aside rather than a real suggestion that we ACTUALLY sacrifice Little Mix (if they could just go away quietly, that would suffice).

Speaking as a more youthful member of society i do think we're a bit more cautious about what we do but i think we've our reasons.

1. The internet, everything we do can (and has been ) plastered all over the internet, which future employers, managers etc can see and it's near impossible to get rid of. For example, if i were filmed drunkenly jumping into a lake off a very high wall and then got tagged my manager can see it which may affect future opportunities. (Which totally didnt happen ).

1. I think we've grown up in the mothered generations, not been allowed as much freedom and told all about the dangers which has put some people off.

1. Cost, everything is so expensive and you can be spending nearly a 100 quid a night which is just too much when everything like rent costs so much more.

However i don't think we're too boring, the siyes i see on a Saturday night are amazing and in places like sheffield, leeds and bristol, there's an amazing underground scene

@Tiscold

1 - YES, I totally agree with this, I would have hated for social media to have been about when I was busy being young and stupid. There's a few photos (real physical 35mm ones) but they are in my possession. Of course you don't HAVE to be on social media.

2 - I disagree. We were told about the dangers but just did stuff anyway (yeah! power to the people!)

There is a lot of great stuff that we never get to hear in the mainstream and, as most people's lives are fairly busy, we may never get a chance to discover

That's true but there are workarounds. Spotify sends me new playlists of music that it thinks I'll like every week and often it's spot on, there's been loads of stuff that has been brilliant. I've no idea what goes on with the algorithm but it's like black magic.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/25/radio-1-playlist-secrets-uncovered-battle-of-brands

@PBo83. Ooh you rebel ay going against the safety advice .

I think social media is probably the main reason for lack of kicking against society and being more adventurous.
Everything revolves around it now a days, and it never goes away. It has its pkus points for entertaining etc, can easily organise meet ups but then everyoneis wondering what everyone else is showing on social media

Jess Glynn = ‘Honking goose woman’ (well.. In our house anyway😄)

Well Marty Healy is a recovering heroin addict, so I think he's probably 'done' the wild thing.

George Ezra just makes me want to stop living, mind you.

*Matty. Sigh

let's look at the brit winners for 1990...

Phil collins - two awards (ffs)
annie lennox
lisa stansfield
dave 'doug rocket' stewart
U fucking 2
queen
fine young cannibals
the cure
neneh cherry (rip rig and panic were ok tbf)

ok the cure were ok but the rest of them? shite.

@prole you did not just call Queen shite

ok queen weren't shite but were very mainstream and perhaps not their best by 1990.

Just dropped my phone and gasped at Queen being called shite