The people of Swindon: do they regret voting for Brexit?

[EddyF]

With the closure of Honda - closing their Swindon plant, with the loss of 3,500 jobs, which the firm has attributed to Brexit, I wonder if the people of Swindon are having regrets since they were from the leave camp.

Reminds me of those who voted for Trump knowing his policies were targeted at them but felt they somehow were exempt. Like the Mexican man and his US wife voting for Trump then crying on the news he had been deported/couldn't get back in when he was out of the country.

I'm finding it really difficult sympathising with those who voted to leave by not looking at their own circumstances, but rather, other people. Majority of the people I have heard from who voted leave (from fb, and so on) they only cared about immigration. They thought leaving meant a 'clear up' taking hardly into account their own future and that of their children.

I'm sorry to the people in Swindon, but they did it to themselves.

And before people say "there wasn't enough information" there was enough to determine that we did not know what the 'deal' was.

I can't link article for Honda but it's everywhere on news sites.

There speaks someone with a chip on their shoulder

So if it's all the middle classes with their agas and cleaners who voted to remain, what do you make of Scotland who voted to remain? We are mostly working class and more likely to be a cleaner.

Sovereignty won't pay your bills or get your kids a job when we're out the EU

It's wasted @sunnyingrimsby it's only brexiteers wanting to make political hay out of news story short as it's only them that treat it as religion and just read headlines.

I will have to caveat again, I'm a firm remainer, but the vocal remainers have shot themselves in their foot about initially gloating about this, especially considering they think they are aware of globalised economics and business trends (notice how no one mentioned that our tech and finance industry came 2nd 2 years running, or that employment is at rock bottom low, without an increase in zero hour contracts)

The lack of looking beyond the headlines is entrenched at the illinformed slinging shit at each other

U ok hun?

So if it's all the middle classes with their agas and cleaners who voted to remain, what do you make of Scotland who voted to remain? We are mostly working class and more likely to be a cleaner.

England is their only concern.

we would be swimming in trade deals

I think that’s nonsense.

Can I have an aga? Do I qualify now? Shame my little house in a Leave voting area is too small.

I know England is there only concern, its the entrenched view that England is still a global contender that's got us in this mess

Their sorry

Absolutely. Gavin Williamson has been doing a stellar job of promoting that attitude recently.

Many people from Swindon did not vote Leave. It would not surprise me if half or more of the Honda workforce commuted there from outside Swindon.

If the closure of the Honda plant was the only negative attributable to Brexit, then we would not be too worried. About 200,000 job losses so far can be attributed to Brexit, and there will be more if there is not a reasonably ordered exit and good trade deal.

All we can best hope for is damage limitation.

I'm in a Leave voting area and don't have an aga. No basement either.

Fact number one - leave and remain votes cut across all groups.

I'm not sure British builders will do too well with a 'No deal' outcome.

I'm not sure I've ever even seen an Aga in real life.

@SunnyInGrimsby

I thought my posts were pretty amazing, but YOUR post (at 20.22) is fucking brilliant.

I think I love you a little bit.

Redandyellow, please calm yourself or you'll be at risk of an aneurysm to spoil your over excited gloating. You run the risk of remainers thinking that you simply haven't thought things through and are simply cackling the same old tripe.

There is so much wrong with your post, Grimsby, that I wouldn’t know where to start

However, that people can spout such bile is a sad indication of what we have become as a country.

I own a Honda Civic fwiw, amazing piece of engineering obviously made with skill and pride. I also earn well below the National average so take your aga, your cleaners, and other tired cliches and instead have a good long think about what your anger is truly about. HTH.

Aye, @ssd, us Northerners are a chippy lot.

@Lonelycrab, why is it so unlikely that the UK could negotiate satisfactory trade deals? German car manufacturers and French wine makers are terrified of a no deal (Germany imports 58 billion worth of goods a year to the UK while we export 29 billion to them).
We buy more from Europe than we sell so it is in all of our interests to secure frictionless trade.

Of course the EU and the majority of the House of Commons want us to remain so it is in their interest to make the whole process as difficult as possible to ensure we end up staying in. And then when the whole stinking ship eventually sinks (which it will when Greece and Italy go bust) we will end up paying for it all.

Oh yes, and the wonderful shiny new EU army, which Cleggy et al insisted was a terrible lie. But oh, the UK will have a veto against that, won't we? Maybe but our craven EU obsessed government will not want to exercise that. Just what the world needs, another army!

Perhaps we will even end up having a `People's Vote', as opposed to the Aliens Vote of 2016.

Who said democracy was dead!

Can someone clue me in? I had no idea what an aga was, so I looked it up and it's a military commander or official during the Ottoman Empire......so....

I'm in a Remain voting area, but don't have an Aga. Where have I gone wrong? The only Aga I have seen was in a Leave area.

I think some leavers would do well to remember that the referendum was advisory, not a carte Blanche to leave at any cost. Just a non mandatory survey, yet there is a sense that everything has to go the way that leavers voted with no remainers allowed to question the logic.

Not everyone voted to leave in Swindon, I hope leavers will do the decent thing and put their hands up to be the first to loose their jobs, here and nationally- because obviously when all these amazing trade deals we’ve been promised when we leave the EU are delivered they will have some spectacular job opportunities comfortabley in time for their next mortgage payment.

redandyellowandpinkandgreen99 , are you drunk?

Seriously, I think your posts are among the weirdest I have ever read. And, I've been on Reddit.

why is it so unlikely that the UK could negotiate satisfactory trade deals? German car manufacturers and French wine makers are terrified of a no deal

Put down the Daily Mail

Keep you hands up

@redandyellowandpinkandgr..., thank you for your kind words or "cackling tripe" as one furious Remoaner rather unkindly put it.
Quite typical of the stimulating and inclusive debate on MN when it comes to Brexit.

One day one of them will come up with a well-argued and cogent reason for staying in the EU, but I'm still waiting. Most of the time it's just insults and abuse though.

Vive democracy!

The best reason for staying in the EU would be the utter Horlicks being made of leaving.
There are obviously also small issues like the GFA and peace in NI.
The union
Our GDP
Our world standing
Etc, etc
But we are leaving so it is about doing so as safely and successfully as possible.
Not very impressed by how that is going so far. Brexiteers appear unable to fight their way out of a wet paper bag, let alone anything more challenging like managing the most complicated set of negotiations since the end of ww2.

I get a free aga?