The people of Swindon: do they regret voting for Brexit?

[EddyF]

With the closure of Honda - closing their Swindon plant, with the loss of 3,500 jobs, which the firm has attributed to Brexit, I wonder if the people of Swindon are having regrets since they were from the leave camp.

Reminds me of those who voted for Trump knowing his policies were targeted at them but felt they somehow were exempt. Like the Mexican man and his US wife voting for Trump then crying on the news he had been deported/couldn't get back in when he was out of the country.

I'm finding it really difficult sympathising with those who voted to leave by not looking at their own circumstances, but rather, other people. Majority of the people I have heard from who voted leave (from fb, and so on) they only cared about immigration. They thought leaving meant a 'clear up' taking hardly into account their own future and that of their children.

I'm sorry to the people in Swindon, but they did it to themselves.

And before people say "there wasn't enough information" there was enough to determine that we did not know what the 'deal' was.

I can't link article for Honda but it's everywhere on news sites.

Don't you think that's a 'teeny bit important'?

Brexit is not the cause of the Honda relocation but it's an aggravating factor.

With the closure of Honda - closing their Swindon plant, with the loss of 3,500 jobs, which the firm has attributed to Brexit

Absolutely untrue!!!

well rerunning the vote would be ignoring the result

themoomoo
The vote was advisory.
If it had been binding, the scale of electoral malpractice by the Leave side would have rendered the result null and void
and it would have HAD to be re run.
But it was advisory.
So should be treated appropriately.

By that logic having an election is ignoring the result of the previous election which should be kept FOREVER even if facts, people and times change.

From James Patrick on Twitter;

Marketing explainer for Brits:

McDonald's users "I'm loving it" and not "We have shit on our touchscreens."

Honda says "Global Market Pressures" and not "You lot are fucking mental."

By doing this, you will still buy their things.

littlespaces you're not really grasping this are you love?

talkinpeece yes, I'm aware of how democracy works

Its been 2 and a half years

The last two general elections were 2015 and 2017... so obviously it doesnt seem to be a problem to rerun those

Rees-mogg even said that it would probably be a good idea to have a second got once the facts were known

Second got

For goodness sake!! VOTE obviously

MissLanesAmericanCousin Antique & Vintage are a good bet for getting genuine Sheffield cutlery, failing that there is a "Sheffield Shop" that only sells genuine made in Sheffield goods that sells Sheffield cutlery, it was started by a man who had been employed in the cutlery industry before he opened the shop. If you source any cutlery, do an internet search of the company that is stamped on the knives. My Nan & Mum worked in the cutlery industry for most of their working lives, my Nan was a burnisher & my mum worked in the offices for one of the largest manufacturers before I was born & for a cutlery handle manufacturer that made silver & stainless handles for most of the finest cutlery companies in Sheffield, their handles are used for cutlery in the Royal households, top hotels, cruise companies such as P & O, airline first class worldwide & in many royal palaces all over the world.

littlespaces you're not really grasping this are you love?

Patronising.

'you're not really grasping this are you love?'

What about the proven illegalities, darling?

themoomoo
Stopping the country from changing its mind based on improved evidence is a theocratic dictatorship.
I prefer an electoral democracy thank you very much.

I'm aware of how democracy works. That's why it's a teeny bit important that a vote isn't ignored because some people didn't like the result

The vote has not been ignored. The UK and the EU have spent 3 years now trying to sort out Brexit, trying to deliver what the people wanted. How can you possibly think it would be undemocratic to ask the British electorate to confirm that it still is what they really want, that it would be undemocratic to ask the electorate their opinion? If it now turned out that a majority of the electorate didn't like the result, how would it be democratic to go ahead with it anyway?

If you have a second vote, there are millions of people in this country who will think no-one will ever care about them.

It is not nit-picking about dates, numbers, who shoudl vote, where that bloody bus was legal etc etc. the reason we can;t rerun the vote is more fundamental than that.

We had a huge leave vote because so many people felt that the government had forgotten them, that it was not listening, that no-one cared about the North, or their issues over overcrowded schools or whatever.
NO-ONE was listening, and the response was Brexit.

People do not, on the whole vote according to logic. They vote according to emotion, (which is why leave won anyway)
That has actually been shown in various experiments, that people vote according to gut feeling and vote, even if presented with facts that show that it is not the best way. (I am not saying that the facts showed either remainor leave was right in this case, just that leave used fundamentally arguments that appealed to the heart)

I am against another vote on this issue, because the vote on this issue has not been completed, and if you revote, you undermine the faith people have in the system, which at the moment is rock bottom anyway.

Democracy relies on people engaging with it. If everyone walks away and only 20% of the population come out to vote, because they are so disillusioned, then yes, democracy is broken, and that is a terrible thing.

Democracy is already broken. That much at least should be obvious.

steppemum
I agree with you that there should not be a second vote.
And I agree with you that people voted with hearts not heads.
BUT
The UK is a "representative democracy"
and now that that it is clear that Brexit will not make things better for those who voted for it,
surely our representatives should act to minimise the damage ?

Have people not been watching the news and seen May and the govt trying their best to subvert the democracy of parliament. Wake up.

Dear Madge,
Ah - great to hear your voice. Yes me too. You voted for it - suffer the consequences. I didn't vote for it and I'm suffering the consequences.

I wish it wasn't true - that I was able to "consider why people voted the way they did. Not stupid." blah blah. Truth is I feel exactly like you. I really do HOPE they suffer. I am just over 60 - now made to retire at 66. When I got my (Shifted down the line) pension, I had full intention to retire to the sun. Now, I've been shafted to a cold and miserable old age that was not the plan. The old(er) people who voted for this shit (I wasn't one of them) will be facing appropriate disapproval ,disrespect and disdain. This wasn't of my making. I don't want to live in this country full of WWII, 1966, back in the old days of empire … when we ruled the world and all that ANCIENT narrative. We are a tiny speck of an island who are now NOBODY. United we stood a chance. Now we are ruined and wrecked. Do I have sympathy for the wreckers. NO> I get emails from People's Vote campaign from people saying I voted Brexit but now I've seen the light. Well, am I supposed to kiss you on both cheeks and say oh that's alright then. NO IT ISN'T alright. I loathe how I feel every day I loathe it but I feel complete anger and despair. You voted either out of stupidity and lack of fact checking, or you're a disaster capitalist, or have funds to live elsewhere or you're xenophobic. So sorry for those losing jobs who didn't vote for this. As for our EU citizens, I have always appreciated your input and dedication. We mostly got young and productive taxpayers and we will likely get back old pensioners who put more strain on an NHS with no staff and there is less money in the pension pot now. I do not relish my future and am desparately hoping Euromillions will come up good. If so, thank you Euromillions. I WILL spend my millions on the European mainland. I wish I did not hold such much anger and despair but I do, and NO you are not forgiven if you now regret your ill considered Leave vote.

What the brexiters don’t seem to understand or acknowledge is that pretty much all the politicians, who campaigned to leave, have decided to abandon their posts and run away. It doesn’t bode well then does it? And what happened to the false promises? Maybe if the brexiters who weren’t anti-immigration but believed in those false promises admitted that by choosing to vote Brexit, they were trying to improve the future, and now realised that they were being lied to, should take those politicians to task?

We haven’t even left yet!
If in 20 years time we’re all living like the Amish I’ll probably admit I made a mistake - or maybe I won’t?

sod off surfer

The Brexiteer supporters and huge financial donors to the Tory Brexit campaign noticeably shifted their millions offshore - notably Jacob Rees Mogg, Andrea Leadsom's husband and brother in law, the Barclay Brothers who own The Telegraph, Lord Magon former Tory Chairman, Lord Edminson - by far one of the biggest funders and Arron Banks.
Farage continuous to collect his fortune from involvement in Europe while encouraging others to leave.

Mugs listened to them, but many were chronically ill informed of the consequences of leaving.

Like many, I voted remain, and despaired how badly understood the consequences of leaving the EU seemed to be by many voters. Most bizarre was how the super rich shifting their fortunes overseas were listened to by anybody!

Nat6999, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and personal history with Sheffield!

Years ago, I was given a set of porcelain Sheffield knives from the 60's as part of the inheritance from a dead aunt. Although, the knives were quite beautiful, I turned them down because the aunt in question was a hypocritical racist bully. I just could not, in good conscience, keep any of her belongings (even though my mother tried very hard to talk me into accepting them) as I felt they had been tainted by her. Not to mention the fact that I had been standing up to her since I was 12 and everyone in the family said nothing and accepted her shit. Not only did I feel that the knives, although quite beautiful, would be tainted I also felt like I would be reminded of her nastiness every time I used them.

But I digress. I really just want to say "thank you" again for your very engaging reply. I think your personal history with Sheffield is something to be proud of, and I'm so sorry to hear that it has now been outsourced. As a person who grew up with artists and have dabbled in it as well, I appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship that was once so prized in Sheffield. Your story has inspired me to be on the lookout for vintage or antique Sheffield when my husband and I are out antiquing/going to estate sales. And, before anyone asks "well what if the person who owned that xxxx was a racist/bigot/jerk, how can you then buy it?" My answer is this- ignorance is bliss. If I am not aware of the estates shortcomings, then it doesn't bother me. It is just a personal quirk/eccentricity of mine, that is all.

Thank you for your story and inspiration, Nat!