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To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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SpeakingALanguage · 18/02/2019 09:41

Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

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TabbyMumz · 19/02/2019 18:59

If she is no longer British, her child is definitely not British. Perhaps she was British by descent and not actually born in the UK herself.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 19/02/2019 19:01

She's had her citizenship revoked by the Home Office!
What does this mean? How was this possible!

goldengummybear · 19/02/2019 19:02

I assume that she wasn't born British.

JellycatElfie · 19/02/2019 19:05

Thank goodness - one less threat away from the country!

Jux · 19/02/2019 19:06

I'm appalled. I'd rather she was here where we can have some measure of control over what she does.

I'm truly shocked that this has happened because I thought she didn't have dual nationality or anything so that we couldn't lawfully reject her. I really hope she is also Bangladeshi or something.

TidyDancer · 19/02/2019 19:06

I saw something which said her parents were Bangladeshi so maybe she has dual citizenship and that's how her British citizenship had been revoked.

Tiggs335 · 19/02/2019 19:08

Great news.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/02/2019 19:08

If she has only British nationality she cannot have had her citizenship revoked. If she has dual British - Bangladeshi nationality then having her citizenship revoked is a possibility.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 19/02/2019 19:08

The UK has no control over the people we could've shopped back!
It's bullshit that people can commit crimes in this country but not be sent back because they might be killed!

BejamNostalgia · 19/02/2019 19:09

Surely the baby was born before she was stripped of her citizenship, so what is its status now?

It depends on where Shamima was born I think. If she was UK born, the child’s citizenship would have been passed on to the child as she had it when the child was born. If she was born in Bangladesh then the child won’t have it. But then the child may have EU citizenship through its father, but as their marriage took place in IS territory and no state is rushing to legitimise IS it’s doubtful if that would transfer either.

Plus who knows if the child is hers or recorded as hers or if she can prove it’s hers anyway.

I think it speaks volumes for the decency of most Kurds that she and other IS families are safe and accessing a reasonable level of care when the Kurds have every reason to hate them.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/02/2019 19:09

It's bullshit that people can commit crimes in this country but not be sent back because they might be killed!

It might be "bullshit" but it's true.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 19:10

If she is no longer a citizen - our duty/responsibility ends.

I can't imagine Bangladesh will go and rescue her.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 19/02/2019 19:10

It depends if the marriage was Islamic or if it was registered with the state in some way. If it is the former then neither country will recognise it as valid.

Justanotherlurker · 19/02/2019 19:10

Rumours of dual citizenship, so I doubt it's just washing hands, but when she makes comments like this:

"He has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it."

It's going to be a weak appeal, especially with the lawyer she is

BejamNostalgia · 19/02/2019 19:11

If she is no longer British, her child is definitely not British. Perhaps she was British by descent and not actually born in the UK herself.

Not technically true because the citizenship was revoked today, she gave birth on Saturday and her citizenship at the time of birth is what affects her child, not today.

BrizzleMint · 19/02/2019 19:14

Not technically true because the citizenship was revoked today, she gave birth on Saturday and her citizenship at the time of birth is what affects her child, not today.

The child's birth won't have been registered at a British embassy/consulate yet so maybe he's not British? I wouldn't be surprised if he's stateless until his birth is registered somewhere where the citizenship requirements are different from ours - the Netherlands perhaps? Or whatever country she has dual nationality with as she must have another nationality.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 19:14

I hope the child is British and is removed from her and given a chance of a decent life.

yourawizardharry · 19/02/2019 19:16

I do not believe the child is hers, funny she's on tv saying she wants give birth in UK then the next day goes into labour and gives birth day after back on tv? I am glad they had revoked her citizenship! People saying she should come back home need to think about the families of the people who lost their lives in the Manchester bombing and lee rigbys family!!! She agrees with what happened she doesn't deserve to come back here... she doesn't deserve help from our country! The money that would of been spent on her should go to the NHS or people who need help!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/02/2019 19:21

I don't pretend any knowledge of citizenship law, but the cynic in me wonders if Javid's made this announcement for the sake of publicity, knowing perfectly well it's open to challenge

And Bejam I believe you implicitly about the situation in Rahman's rotten borough, not least as we also have an area where the police are completely "hands off". Quite who they think they're helping I don't know, but it's certainly not the more decent folk who live there

Justanotherlurker · 19/02/2019 19:27

I don't pretend any knowledge of citizenship law, but the cynic in me wonders if Javid's made this announcement for the sake of publicity, knowing perfectly well it's open to challenge

I doubt he will be doing it for publicity sake, the appeal process is going to get just as frothy as this news story as it is, the potential for damages if it was done uninformed would be an own goal to the real far right and cost far more than just bringing her over now and put her into hiding.

BrizzleMint · 19/02/2019 19:27

If I have read this correctly he may well not be entitled to British citizenship.

If your British parent lived in the UK before you were born
You can apply if all of the following are true:

you’re under 18
your mother or father was a British citizen when you were born
your British parent lived in the UK for at least 3 years before you were born
your British parent did not spend more than 270 days outside the UK during those 3 years
your British parent had a British mother or father who could pass on their citizenship to them

MissEliza · 19/02/2019 19:34

Brizzlemint where did you read that? I know someone who was born int the UK in the early 70s when her parents were briefly here. She never lived in the UK. She gave birth to twins in 2014 in her home country and they have British passports.

BrizzleMint · 19/02/2019 19:40

It's cut and pasted from the government applying for British citizenship page.

BejamNostalgia · 19/02/2019 19:41

If I have read this correctly he may well not be entitled to British citizenship.

brizzle, what you’be posted is what entitles a child to automatic citizenship.

Shamima’s child (if genuinely hers) would have to have someone apply for him to become a British citizen by descent and go through that process before he was allowed to enter the country.

I suspect if that child ends up anywhere in Europe it will likely be with the family of the father in the Netherlands who are apparently just normal moderate Muslims who live a peaceful middle class life:

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 19:41

I don't live in the UK but I'm pretty sure any child of mine would be British as I'm British from birth.

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