To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

2 seperate issues. Doubtless people are concerned about both. But this thread is about a specific case.

Other countries do this, especially China.

Yes I agree, all those bleating on about how we HAVE to have her back because shes a British citizen......we can do what we want, laws can be changed very rapidly if they want to. It would act as a massive deterrent to anyone else who thinks they can do the same. Britain needs to toughen up like other countries.

China says a great example. They have an exemplary human rights record and a country full of contented individuals with no issues whatsoever.

Taking the hard line will drive more people towards her cause and create greater problems on our shores- but don't let that stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.

The Daily Mail really is pushing at an open door with most people

oh YES! Lets be more like China! Cancelling people's citizenship its just the tip of the iceberg, we should be disappearing journalists and anyone that didn't vote for the current government, and arresting random foreign nationals if one of our citizens (the one's we deem worthy of keeping obviously, not the other ones) gets arrested in their country.

Its like referring to people as animals all over again.

When you are looking to the Chinese communist party for your moral compass you may have lost the plot.

Yes, it is with me. For once I agree with the cretin piers Morgan

Because she is a traitor with no remorse. By doing that, you are opening the floodgates of those who are similar. That she said Manchester Arena bombing was payback, no way should be allow this terrorist back in.

finding I think I am going to retreat to my bubble where I feel reasonably confident everyone is against discussing humans as animals...I may be wrong....but I can still pretend I don't know anyone like that in RL.

Yes we should be cancelling all traitors British Citizenship and those who represent a threat to national security.

It's a lost cause. The Mail has won. At least there'll be no terrorism if we keep her out. Phew!

Fingers crossed 🤞🙏

finding yes...because its far more important she be kept out than any of the other hundreds of already returned fighters....that would be fighters rather than mothers.....but yes she is definitely THE ONE.

It all hinges on her...maybe she is extra super evil due to teen pregnancy...who knows.

The Daily Mail really is pushing at an open door with most people hmm

Sigh, can people stop blaming the Daily Fail for these types of incidents, go look at the Canadian woman who wants to return from Isis, no daily mail there and its the same overall response.

The lack of critical thinking is not confined to one side of this story.

Flouting the law in refusing to allow her back will create a martyr of sorts and fuel the sense in injustice in those already sympathetic towards her.

It makes no practical sense to do that.

It's cutting your nose off to spite your face and incredibly short sighted.

The government that is being pressured to keep her out is the same government that will be vilified if this sparks another attack. They can't win.

The newspapers know this but they don't care as long as they get headlines.

I've been trying to find posts/columns that would defend her somehow without using the "she's brainwashed, she's a poor soul", but couldn't find any

Since "aww, poor lass" seems the only way she can be defended, I'm not surprised you can't find anything else TBH

Nor does the analogy of "all the abused youngsters we'd otherwise help" work, since on the whole most being mentioned aren't such an obvious risk to everyone else

FWIW I'm not even convinced that all the disquiet is purely about Shamima ... isn't she in many ways a metaphor for hundreds of others, equally keen to destroy us but who we don't normally hear much about?

This is, as so many have said, a complex issue. But if Shamima's situation enables a proper discussion of how best to handle it, I personally believe that's no bad thing

This is, as so many have said, a complex issue. But if Shamima's situation enables a proper discussion of how best to handle it, I personally believe that's no bad thing

Having lived in that area the time to discuss radicalisation around there was 20 years ago. That was when I lived there, including around 9/11. The hatred and radicalisation around there was overt and obvious. There were also areas where the police did not operate plus they were hugely reluctant to ‘interfere’ when Bangladeshis committed crimes referring to it as a ‘community matter’. This meant the fire and ambulance services were left mopping up the results of regular arson attacks and domestic violence. They ignored DV against my neighbour until she was literally running down the street holding her intestines into a slash in her stomach. A blind eye was turned towards women suffering dreadfully, confined to a dingy council flat often with another wife there too. Plus many young illegal male migrants were exploited both by those who would remt them a bit of an outhouse or garage to sleep who would also usually get them hooked on heroin too then extort money not to report them to the authorities.

All these people were living cheek by jowl with city millionaires, the hugely wealthy. They often had the impression that the lifestyle of these millionaires was typical for the British born as they had few contacts with them otherwise.

Not surprisingly given how grim many of their own lives were and their distorted perception of how the British lived, extremism was a very attractive proposition for many people living there.

Luthfur Rahman ran the borough as a corrupt personal fiefdom and George Galloway did not help matters because he exploited that sense of grievance to gain personal power.

I don’t know if anything has changed there since Labour lost power as I don’t live there and have no desire ever to go to such a hate filled place again. But an entire generation or more was lost in that area because Labour stuck its head in the sand and refused to confront any of these problems, and they did know about them, they really did. It suited them to ignore it as long as they continued to return Labour councils and MPs.

She went there aged 15. She was putty in someone else's hands. She has a world view VERY different from mine. However, she should be allowed back as a UK citizen, as is her right. Once here, she should be debriefed and then have fair legal justice applied to her, almost certainly through the courts. This may well be custodial. Along the way she should be put into an environment where she can see the error in the ways of ISIS and intolerance. We have to offer her the opportunity to examine herself and update her opinions. If she comes round to "one caring world for all" views then she will be living evidence of the falsity of intolerant views. If not then she will likely be imprisoned or watched by the authorities for a long time. I think it likely that she would have been influenced by vile stuff on our so-weakly controlled social media, who are responsible for a huge part of the world's ills.

We have to offer her the opportunity to examine herself and update her opinions

No we don't she is a vile terrorist and should be left in Syria to rot.

According to Sky News her British citizenship has been revoked

I would say anyone who thinks the Manchester bombing was payback is beyond help. Anyone who thinks that running off to become a Jihadi bride after seeing beheadings and torture online is a good idea can rot as far as I'm concerned.

Yep, on the BBC as well now. She's been stripped of her citizenship (which I didn't think we could do) so it looks like the Gov have washed their hands of her.

Parents are going to fight the decision, but I can't imagine the Home Office changing it's mind

Surely the baby was born before she was stripped of her citizenship, so what is its status now?

What a mess.

It’s being reported now that her citizenship has been revoked. Presumably that means that she also possesses Bangladeshi citizenship. She has the right to appeal.

I’m not sure how I feel about that. I think I would prefer her to be in a UK jail for a long time rather than out there radicalising Bangladeshis or sneaking in via the refugee route then blowing herself up on a bus or something.

Yep, on the BBC as well now. She's been stripped of her citizenship (which I didn't think we could do) so it looks like the Gov have washed their hands of her.

They can if she holds citizenship of another country and it’s been suggested she retained Bangladeshi citizenship which she held through her parents.

her British citizenship has been revoked
If true that is great news. At last a government putting the safety of the UK first.