To wonder how we CAN even consider not bringing the girl back from Syria?

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Do we not legally have to? We can't just wipe our hands of her, can we?

I've seen petition after petition on my Facebook feed about not allowing her back, sign the petition, etc etc.

But if she's a British citizen, does she not have every legal right to be here, even if she is vile and dangerous?

I did see someone mention she would have to get here on her own steam, but isn't there a big part in the British passport (I know she hasn't got one but she was entitled and is technically British), that says something along the lines of Her Majesty grants assistance and protection as needed?

Without her baby even coming into the argument, she alone regardless is allowed back here, vulnerable with a newborn or not.

This section, from the government website) would apply to Shamima's baby. (I'm assuming her parents were born in the UK).

So if she's was British from birth, the baby would be British, unless he has also been stripped on his nationality.

You have to wonder why her lawyers allowed her to get interviewed, at the very least you would have expected them to tell her exactly what to say, that BBC interview and her comments about the Manchester bombing made it all but impossible for her to ever come back here.

But then again her lawyer did say Muslims shouldn't cooperate with the police so not the sharpest tool

So if she's was British from birth, the baby would be British, unless he has also been stripped on his nationality.

No, he does not have automatic citizenship. Someone would need to apply on his behalf and the application would need to be approved, so it could also been turned down.

Most likely he now shares his mother’s Bangladeshi citizenship. Otherwise the UN runs a birth registration scheme for babies born in refugee camps so he might have that, I think that would still just entitle him to claim citizenship where his parents were.

He would have to apply for a passport but it says the citizenship is automatic.

I can't see how the baby would be able to get to Britain anyway unless an aid agency stepped in and she agreed to give the baby up.

lurker, in all honesty, I don’t think that’s how the world works anymore. Logically you would think that expressing regret and contrition would be the right way to go about getting repatriated and taken care of. But I don’t think we’re operating in a logical world anymore.

Look at one of Lee Rigby’s killers, Adebolajo, he associated with Al-Mujaharoun and was caught committing terrorist acts in Kenya. Samantha Lewthwaite - given the benefit of the doubt.

Look at CAGE and Anjem Choudhary and what they do/did get away with in plain sight because they had so many lefty flying monkeys to protect them.

He would have to apply for a passport but it says the citizenship is automatic.

No it doesn’t. It very clearly says that British Citizenship is something which has to be applied for and may or may not be granted. It’s explicitly not automatic if you are born outside the UK.

I don't begrudge the baby citizenship but if they returned to the UK, I wouldn't want him raised with his mother or her family. That girl wasn't radicalised in a vacuum. My dh is Muslim and has always been vigilant about the information about Islam and politics our dcs hear or are exposed to. His dps were the same when he was growing up. He has stepped in a few times when ds1 has come home talking shit that he's picked up from other Muslim kids at school. We know a couple of families (in his home country) who have had children become radicalised and they have acted on it. That's what moderate and tolerant Muslim families do.

I'm sorry Bejam buts that's not how it reads to me...
Where does it say that citizenship has to be applied for?

A few have been radicalised from families which aren't even Muslim.

Surely that has nothing to do with the parents?

Wouldn’t the baby be Dutch (due to the father) or possibly Syrian?

the potential for damages if it was done uninformed would be an own goal to the real far right

I agree in principle, but to think of this requires foresight - and IME politicians are a lot keener on playing to the cameras than they are on the bigger picture

As said, I very much hope it IS possible to strip this viper of her citizenship; I'm just wondering if it's being done properly (or at all)

www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/becoming-a-dutch-national
Baby can be Dutch!

I hope the government has considered the legality rather than bowed to public pressure.

It would look awful to have to backtrack.

It would be worse if she became a "martyr" of sorts as that would have the effect of fueling more hate.

If the baby is Dutch I hope he ends up there in the care of their ss.

I agree in principle, but to think of this requires foresight - and IME politicians are a lot keener on playing to the cameras than they are on the bigger picture

I agree with the short termism that many politicians now play, but this is international news so this will not have been taken lightly, as the backlash would be far worse if they got it wrong.

It looks like she is a dual national which was rumoured from the beginning, the curve ball and mental gymnastics now is her defenders who was for following international law previously now questioning international law.

I hope the government has considered the legality rather than bowed to public pressure.

One Example @Puzzledandpissedoff

An example of what?

I hope international law has been followed so we aren't humiliated later on - we'd be a laughing stock.

How is that a contraversial statement?

If she's genuinely a dual national, we should be home and dry.

Wanting to follow the rule of law makes you a terrorist sympathiser on MN

Her father is ethiopian I think so she might have that passport rather than Bangladesih in addition to her Engilsh one. I expect the Home Office of not allowed to disclose what passports someone has although her parents or her lawyer who seem to have chosen to publish the letter could disclose those facts.

A few have been radicalised from families which aren't even Muslim

Studies suggest those who convert to relegion/ideology are far more radical/open to radicalisation.

That doesn't full absolve the parents in this case though as the numbers of converts is relatively small

the curve ball and mental gymnastics now is her defenders who was for following international law previously now questioning international law

It was ever thus ... but yes, you're right about the international aspect

As a slight aside, and bearing in mind some of his known views and comments, I'm hoping the security services will cast an eye over the family's lawyer too

I have yet to see anyone question international law in relation to the revoking of her citizenship.

Are there examples on MN?

I really don’t understand people’s opinions about this.

This is a teenager that was groomed by some
Horrible people. Who was in a way brain washed.

If it had been a pedophile And she was brainwashed and groomed. Everyone would want to rescue her. Would say it wasn’t her fault.

Wasn’t she groomed too?

Isn’t this a girl who needs someone to take care of her and love her and help her back to a normal safe life.

My heart breaks for her. At 15 you’re still a child.

(I haven’t read the full story, but I just think that some people may be too harsh)

I'm not saying necessarily that her parents possessed radical views but unlike non- Muslim families they would have been well aware that there was the potential to be radicalised. We monitor what our children do and look at online closely because we care very much about it. These families tightly control their dcs, especially girls. Surely they had an idea what she was doing. During last summer, dh found something on our computer that ds2 had looked at and had a talk with him - some video about US drone attacks. I really don't believe this girl was radicalised overnight. Obviously they didn't want her to go to Syria but she must have expressed some extremist views in the house.